jaybee Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) [/size] I don't know what training camp reports you've been reading but just about all of the ones I've read repeatedly stated that Tuel struggled and was the worst QB in camp day after day. He had a couple of nice pre-season games (and a bad one) but that's no reason to suddenly think an undrafted FA who struggles in practice is suddenly going to be good enough to beat the Pats in a real game. Yup. I think part of it is just human nature. Wanting to see a "cinderella story". Routing for the underdog so to speak. The media to some extent has been playing it up as a Cinderella story as well. If Jeff does start I think the affection will die off fairly quickly. Obviously I hope I'm wrong on that. Other than inconsistent play in the pre-season he really hasn't shown all that much though. And...the poster here that keeps saying Jeff's not afraid to go down field..........unlike EJ . I'm pretty sure thats the OC calling the shots, not the QB. ps.....I'm thinking the line will drop 2 1/2 if EJ is announced as the starter. If its much more than that it may even end up being a no line game (if Marrone keeps up the tap-dancing) but I doubt that'll happen. Edited August 31, 2013 by jaybee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito1 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 No. Why are you all so down on Tuel? For most of the offseason he has looked like the best QB on the team. I realize that aint saying much. But 2 things: (1) The best thing about a new coach, and not an NFL retread, is that he hasnt learned to fear the Patriots. (2) Tuel is a gamer. And he likes to look Downfield first, and take the checkdown only if he really has to. Since the Patriots dont have much of a secondary, I'm predicting: Bills 31, NE 28. Tuel in the preseason will look much diff when you have a prepared nfl defense disguising blitzes and making his life a living hell. My prediction, we run the ball a ton and go lots of 3 and outs. And it's not just Tuel, I fear Ej will have similar issues in the regular season. Nfl rookie qbs (although lately have) do not typically play well their rookie season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 11.5 seems crazy high for week one. But I guess Vegas needs to try and entice people to put money on the Bills. But sadly unless there is a hurricane that day I don't see the Bills keeping it that close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted August 31, 2013 Author Share Posted August 31, 2013 Despite the concensus against it, I am still gonna lay a tad down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Funny how many have layed the crucial factor as being Tuel. Fitzpatrick won games off smart play calling and his quick reads. When he started making mistakes he really made em'. But he , at one period could keep the team in the game regardless of playing Pats or whomever. The defense has lost us many game the last couple 3 years. We have no secondary we can even have an educated opinion about . We are not sure who they are yet much less played together developing good communication skills and comfort level. When we gett our asses handed to us , and we will, it will be because Brady and his evil stepdad took us apart with their offense. MDH you said Tuel was the worst quarterback in Camp. No one ever stated that. ever. pile on anyone ? Jeff has played fairly well and made few mistakes. and he could keep us in the game , until we are playing from behind and desperate. If he looks bad thats why he will . Put in a bad situation. Another major worry is the offensive line , for me at least > one injury during the game and we are screwed . Tuel is the least of my worries actually. And being the Homer : ) i will take the underdogs for 20 johnny at 11.5 if we get blown out on defense there is no way in heck this offense score 31 points. and i would bet the house on that one. it is the defenses game to win Go Bills Edited August 31, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Lol. You seem to have a thing for qbs that "like to look downfield first". How is that even a good gauge of success at the nfl level. Jp liked to look downfield first for instance. I ve heard he threw a pretty deep ball too. But he is not even in the nfl now. (PrissyTheCat? By any chance did you go to Traditional? Its a longshot, I know, but if you are who I think you are . . . then you will know the names Tedso, Boil, Zebe, and Puh) And yes, in today's NFL, I certainly do want a QB who looks, and goes, downfield. In the old days people said "if you go downfield, 3 things can happen, and two of them are bad." Nowadays, with the rules favoring offense, I think its "3 things can happen, and two of them are good." And if the 3rd one happens, its just like a punt anyway. Edited August 31, 2013 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I 90 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Get the 11.5 while you can, this will be off the board by the time they sort out the chance of two street free agents manning the corners against Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Hello Bills Nation, I was looking around at some NFL lines for week one and I couldn't help but notice the Bills are one of the biggest underdogs in Week 1. As of current the Bills are getting 11.5 points. I know the Pats should win the division and I know we should be huge underdogs. However, I figured because we are at home and we are still in Week 1 and figuring things out I thought the spread would be around 7.5 to 8.5. I also think the QB situation (and the media drawing attention to it) has moved us into a bigger underdog position. So what do you think? Is this line a little large or am I just a die hard homer? take the pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Hello Bills Nation, I was looking around at some NFL lines for week one and I couldn't help but notice the Bills are one of the biggest underdogs in Week 1. As of current the Bills are getting 11.5 points. I know the Pats should win the division and I know we should be huge underdogs. However, I figured because we are at home and we are still in Week 1 and figuring things out I thought the spread would be around 7.5 to 8.5. I also think the QB situation (and the media drawing attention to it) has moved us into a bigger underdog position. So what do you think? Is this line a little large or am I just a die hard homer? I think 11.5 is quite conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I think 11.5 is quite conservative. I do too, and I wouldn't touch it. Hell, I wouldn't touch 13.That said maybe Tuel will end up in the record books with a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I do too, and I wouldn't touch it. Hell, I wouldn't touch 13. That said maybe Tuel will end up in the record books with a win. Doesn't need a win. I believe he would be the only undrafted QB to start on opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I'd put the number of injuries to Buffalo at 11.5 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 My prediction: EJ plays. New England was 25th in total defense last year Brady never struggles because of DB play, but only when the line gets pressure on him. We will be rushing Carrington, Mario, Dareus, and Kyle. We can run the ball pretty well. We are playing at home. Bellichick picks apart against teams he knows and has a clear gameplan for. He doesn't do as well with surprises (beaten by the Wildcat, etc). In the last 12 years of games against the Pats (lots and lots of losses) we are 2-22 with a lot of blowouts of huge proportions, although we were outscored by 11.5 or more points exactly half of the time, and kept it closer than that the other 12 times. I don't think there is any smart money on this line, but my pretend money is on the Bills to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 So, how much does it change even if EJ starts? I say not by much. I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I suppose since I'll be working this Sunday, I should be relieved not to be watching this contest... But as has been the case, since about 1968, (I'm 57) I'll be driving myself nuts to hear updates on the game.. Go Bills!!!! Well old timer, the game is next Sunday and you will unfortunately have to watch ... We're going to put on a good show for the home crowd... you just watch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Very hard to take the points considering whats been going on in Bills nation.... The big boys in Vegas are going to lay the wood on Brady... I expect that line to move north of 11.5 graduallly up until gametime. If nothing goes wrong on the Patsoes home front, I wouldn't be shocked to see -13.5 or more by next Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Tebow brings that down to -3.0 Bills! LoL Haters gonna hate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 If anyone wants to take the Bills +11.5 please PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (2) Tuel is a gamer. Well, except for the Washington game, and the Vikings game. Oh, and 22 out of the 26 he started at Wazoo. He did look great in the scrimmage and Colts game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Doesn't need a win. I believe he would be the only undrafted QB to start on opening day. I believe t hat is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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