EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Reshard Jones, Phins Saftey about to bank 8 million annually Can you imagine the look on Byrd's face... http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/62052/safety-reshad-jones-must-prove-he-is-elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Reshard Jones, Phins Saftey about to bank 8 million annually Can you imagine the look on Byrd's face... http://espn.go.com/b...ove-he-is-elite The Phins try their damnest to be the next Eagles like dream team it seems like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Regarding Byrd - From a CNNSI Article http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/06/all-underrated-team-defense-jabaal-sheard/?sct=nfl_t1t_a1 Byrd frequently gets bashed by people looking at stats without understanding their schematic context — yes, he is usually among the league leaders in yards per pass allowed (14.3 in 2012), but that’s because he’s playing center field so often, and he’s usually (and literally) Buffalo’s last line of defense. In 2012, he allowed just 16 receptions as the primary target on 561 coverage snaps, picked off five passes and allowed no touchdowns. That last stat is especially impressive for a deep safety. Oh, yeah — he was one of PFF’s highest-rated safeties as a run defender. Byrd is now a great all-around player and should be recognized as such. he won't sign till the after the last preseason game IMO. He is going to do whatever he has to to avoid injury this year It is not about the injury this year. It is more about injuring before the season starts. If he is injured in training camp, the 1-year salary is not guaranteed (Only if you are on the day 1 roster). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Everyone gives such credit to Mr.Parker for holding firm on these deals. Not me. His inflated sense of himself really is putting a lot of money on the line for Byrd. There is at least a 30% chance any player will be injured in any given year I would think, if it happens next year, Byrd just gave up a ton of money, in order to prove what point exactly? or gain how much, an extra couple of million? In the casino, you would not take such odds. Not with 20 million at stake, and he could have gotten that as a signing bonus this off-season, me-thinks. So far it has all come up roses for Parker, I hope Byrd is not the wild card that lost 20m in order to get 6.9m and save face for his agent. Edited August 7, 2013 by zazie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 another nope from the rabble here Nope. His agent will make every effort to get him out of WNY at seasons end in one piece so he can hit the jackpot with some other team. That is how it will play out, regrettably. At his asking price, the Bills are not buying. Andy Levitre 2.0 it is. And we get Aaron Williams instead. Tough being a Bills fan. But I have made a vow of positivity and therefore: Aaron Williams for pro bowl !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Nope. His agent will make every effort to get him out of WNY at seasons end in one piece so he can hit the jackpot with some other team. That is how it will play out, regrettably. At his asking price, the Bills are not buying. Andy Levitre 2.0 it is. And we get Aaron Williams instead. Tough being a Bills fan. But I have made a vow of positivity and therefore: Aaron Williams for pro bowl !! Yeah, Parker may think he's doing that. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 The Phins try their damnest to be the next Eagles like dream team it seems like... They've committed over $100M in guaranteed money this off-season. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Nope. His agent will make every effort to get him out of WNY at seasons end in one piece so he can hit the jackpot with some other team. That is how it will play out, regrettably. At his asking price, the Bills are not buying. Andy Levitre 2.0 it is. And we get Aaron Williams instead. Tough being a Bills fan. But I have made a vow of positivity and therefore: Aaron Williams for pro bowl !! " But I have made a vow of positivity " how much do those things go for these days. I would like to buy a round for some of our Special posters here abouts. Or at least a pitcher of beer for the eternal pessimist 's table ! Edited August 7, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Continuation from Carrington thread Bills & Byrd cannot agree to a multi year deal, but they can agree to a one year deal. This is where Parker is feeling the Bills out on a long term extension beyond 2013. The easiest thing to do is sign the tender and collect $6.9 million this year and wait until next year. But Parker also wants assurance that Bills won't tag him again in 2014. Part of his negotiation could be signing a larger one year deal this year as a downpayment on a longer term deal beyond 2013. If the Bills are insisting on sticking with the firm FP rules, then he's holding his player out until the last second possible. Fans don't like that, but that's not the agent's job. As to Promo. We've been through this movie before. No, Bills can't play every player $9 million. But the main reason the team has sucked for 13 years is that they've been horrendous talent evaluators and have been paying that $8 million - $ 9 million to role players who are soon departed. A common thread across successful franchises is they tend to keep good players and find a way to pay them. Bills had one decent draft in the last decade, and already lost one good player from that draft and may be on the verge of losing another. This team's strategy of filling in self imposed holes has been an abject failure, and we're possibly witnessing a continuation. And then you wonder why some fans are tossing darts at the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Continuation from Carrington thread Bills & Byrd cannot agree to a multi year deal, but they can agree to a one year deal. This is where Parker is feeling the Bills out on a long term extension beyond 2013. The easiest thing to do is sign the tender and collect $6.9 million this year and wait until next year. But Parker also wants assurance that Bills won't tag him again in 2014. Part of his negotiation could be signing a larger one year deal this year as a downpayment on a longer term deal beyond 2013. If the Bills are insisting on sticking with the firm FP rules, then he's holding his player out until the last second possible. Fans don't like that, but that's not the agent's job. As to Promo. We've been through this movie before. No, Bills can't play every player $9 million. But the main reason the team has sucked for 13 years is that they've been horrendous talent evaluators and have been paying that $8 million - $ 9 million to role players who are soon departed. A common thread across successful franchises is they tend to keep good players and find a way to pay them. Bills had one decent draft in the last decade, and already lost one good player from that draft and may be on the verge of losing another. This team's strategy of filling in self imposed holes has been an abject failure, and we're possibly witnessing a continuation. And then you wonder why some fans are tossing darts at the team. I do think they were smart not to pay guys like Nate Clements and Donte Whitner. I would have liked to see Levitre return, his loss will hurt a rookie QB, but let's see how it plays out before judging whether they did the right thing there. There are others... but I agree that they have paid guys like Mario and Fitz when they didn't deserve the amount they got. Mario can redeem himself, but it still looks like a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Continuation from Carrington thread Bills & Byrd cannot agree to a multi year deal, but they can agree to a one year deal. This is where Parker is feeling the Bills out on a long term extension beyond 2013. The easiest thing to do is sign the tender and collect $6.9 million this year and wait until next year. But Parker also wants assurance that Bills won't tag him again in 2014. Part of his negotiation could be signing a larger one year deal this year as a downpayment on a longer term deal beyond 2013. If the Bills are insisting on sticking with the firm FP rules, then he's holding his player out until the last second possible. Fans don't like that, but that's not the agent's job. As to Promo. We've been through this movie before. No, Bills can't play every player $9 million. But the main reason the team has sucked for 13 years is that they've been horrendous talent evaluators and have been paying that $8 million - $ 9 million to role players who are soon departed. A common thread across successful franchises is they tend to keep good players and find a way to pay them. Bills had one decent draft in the last decade, and already lost one good player from that draft and may be on the verge of losing another. This team's strategy of filling in self imposed holes has been an abject failure, and we're possibly witnessing a continuation. And then you wonder why some fans are tossing darts at the team. great post man. I completely agree with the part about losing some of the only real good talent we've had in the last 10 years. While I agree that Byrd may be asking for too much, I also believe he's worth it. Just the cheapo in me that thinks these players get paid too much. But at the end of the day, it's not my money. As a team we need to keep our good players. The years of overpaying for guys like Kelsey, Dockery, Walker and Schobel need to he over. Byrd is a stud in this league. Not one of these guys that I me ruined that got ridiculously overpaid either because we had to, to sign them. Or because they were "good team guys" and we were rewarding them. If we didnt overpay and reward guys like Fitz, Merriman, Anderson, we wouldn't have to worry about a few extra million for Byrd. But that's what happens when your number crunchers have run the team for so long. Here's to hoping Brandon and Whaley are different going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I do think they were smart not to pay guys like Nate Clements and Donte Whitner. I would have liked to see Levitre return, his loss will hurt a rookie QB, but let's see how it plays out before judging whether they did the right thing there. There are others... but I agree that they have paid guys like Mario and Fitz when they didn't deserve the amount they got. Mario can redeem himself, but it still looks like a bad deal. The Mario deal is more worthy then you think. Just imagine the fallout if they didn't sign him. It was a needed signing for more reasons then on the field production. Add all that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Continuation from Carrington thread Bills & Byrd cannot agree to a multi year deal, but they can agree to a one year deal. This is where Parker is feeling the Bills out on a long term extension beyond 2013. The easiest thing to do is sign the tender and collect $6.9 million this year and wait until next year. But Parker also wants assurance that Bills won't tag him again in 2014. Part of his negotiation could be signing a larger one year deal this year as a downpayment on a longer term deal beyond 2013. If the Bills are insisting on sticking with the firm FP rules, then he's holding his player out until the last second possible. Fans don't like that, but that's not the agent's job. As to Promo. We've been through this movie before. No, Bills can't play every player $9 million. But the main reason the team has sucked for 13 years is that they've been horrendous talent evaluators and have been paying that $8 million - $ 9 million to role players who are soon departed. A common thread across successful franchises is they tend to keep good players and find a way to pay them. Bills had one decent draft in the last decade, and already lost one good player from that draft and may be on the verge of losing another. This team's strategy of filling in self imposed holes has been an abject failure, and we're possibly witnessing a continuation. And then you wonder why some fans are tossing darts at the team. All the hand wringing is premature unless/until the LG position proves to be a problem during the season. But paying $7.8M/year for a slightly above average OG who was never even given a token Pro Bowl nom is just as insane IMHO as paying a FS $9M/year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 DEAD MONEY 2013 - TOTAL $11,606,621 Ryan Fitzpatrick $3,000,000 Terrence McGee $2,250,000 Mark Anderson $1,600,000 Chris Kelsay $800,000 George Wilson $666,668 Nick Barnett $500,000 Tarvaris Jackson $500,000 Kelvin Sheppard $345,416 Kirk Morrison $250,000 Tank Carder $144,600 Marcus Easley $129,875 Johnny White $106,800 Mark Asper $85,089 John Potter $34,422 Danny Batten $25,419 Vernon Kearney $2,500 http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Bills&Year=2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The Mario deal is more worthy then you think. Just imagine the fallout if they didn't sign him. It was a needed signing for more reasons then on the field production. Add all that up. True - I actually like the signing, because I think he actually will be a star in Pettine's D. But, 100 mill is a lot for 10 sacks/yr which is what he was doing in Houston. His rep was that he was not all in, all the time. I fear that we see the same thing here. I hope that is not the case now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 DEAD MONEY 2013 - TOTAL $11,606,621 Ryan Fitzpatrick $3,000,000 Terrence McGee $2,250,000 Mark Anderson $1,600,000 Chris Kelsay $800,000 George Wilson $666,668 Nick Barnett $500,000 Tarvaris Jackson $500,000 Kelvin Sheppard $345,416 Kirk Morrison $250,000 Tank Carder $144,600 Marcus Easley $129,875 Johnny White $106,800 Mark Asper $85,089 John Potter $34,422 Danny Batten $25,419 Vernon Kearney $2,500 http://www.overtheca...Bills&Year=2013 Great. Now let's put some context to that. Every team has dead money. Couldn't quickly find a link to the current dead money around the league, but did find this. 2012 DEAD MONEY Indy $38,790,072 Dallas $30,378,408 Oakland $28,114,475 By this measure, we're in better dead money space than last year when AAAAArun cost us $5mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Great. Now let's put some context to that. Every team has dead money. Couldn't quickly find a link to the current dead money around the league, but did find this. 2012 DEAD MONEY Indy $38,790,072 Dallas $30,378,408 Oakland $28,114,475 By this measure, we're in better dead money space than last year when AAAAArun cost us $5mil. Fitz will count $7 mil in Dead Money next year (his $10 mil hit was spread out over 2 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Thanks again Nanker. I was just gonna post that the Bills dead money needed context. Eleven million looks a lot better than $38, $30, or $28 million. I wonder what the league average is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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