DC Tom Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 This is stunning. One thing all the coverage I've heard keeps missing: the unbelievable amount of planning and preparation by the Boston and MA that went on for YEARS before this happened. For all the excitement at the "pointy end of the stick," you don't coordinate multiple local, state, and federal agencies this effectively and get results over a 100 hour span unless you've got a seriously well-thought out and detailed emergency plan. Compare this, for example, to the absolute lack of planning evident in the grabasstic fumbling around Waco 20 years ago or the complete cluster !@#$ of Katrina. Just having the lines of command and authority defined well enough to bring the hammer down this quickly is unbelievable. As emergency planning goes, what Boston and MA are showing should be the new gold standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Color me skeptical over the whole thing. Why didn't these kids leave after the bombings? Will we capture one alive so we can question him for motive? As far as I'm concerned, the only thing these kids are guilty of so far is going to the Boston Marathon with book-bags. Now I'm not saying they aren't guilty, I'd just like to see at least one of the two captured alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) This is stunning. One thing all the coverage I've heard keeps missing: the unbelievable amount of planning and preparation by the Boston and MA that went on for YEARS before this happened. For all the excitement at the "pointy end of the stick," you don't coordinate multiple local, state, and federal agencies this effectively and get results over a 100 hour span unless you've got a seriously well-thought out and detailed emergency plan. Compare this, for example, to the absolute lack of planning evident in the grabasstic fumbling around Waco 20 years ago or the complete cluster !@#$ of Katrina. Just having the lines of command and authority defined well enough to bring the hammer down this quickly is unbelievable. As emergency planning goes, what Boston and MA are showing should be the new gold standard. That might all be true, but listening to the police skannah, awe cant ghet phaaast der ahhchsents, ya bahstad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Color me skeptical over the whole thing. Why didn't these kids leave after the bombings? Will we capture one alive so we can question him for motive? As far as I'm concerned, the only thing these kids are guilty of so far is going to the Boston Marathon with book-bags. Now I'm not saying they aren't guilty, I'd just like to see at least one of the two captured alive. OK, Alex Jones....whatever you say. They found these two kids on the videos and tracked them down and they just happened to run away AND be armed, ready and willing to get into a skirmish with basically every piece of law enforcement in New England. Edited April 19, 2013 by RkFast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Color me skeptical over the whole thing. Why didn't these kids leave after the bombings? Will we capture one alive so we can question him for motive? As far as I'm concerned, the only thing these kids are guilty of so far is going to the Boston Marathon with book-bags. And getting into a shootout with police. Now I'm not saying they aren't guilty, I'd just like to see at least one of the two captured alive. So would I. Chechen terrorists in the US is actually kinda weird. Particularly if they've been here for a decade, young as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 This is stunning. One thing all the coverage I've heard keeps missing: the unbelievable amount of planning and preparation by the Boston and MA that went on for YEARS before this happened. For all the excitement at the "pointy end of the stick," you don't coordinate multiple local, state, and federal agencies this effectively and get results over a 100 hour span unless you've got a seriously well-thought out and detailed emergency plan. Compare this, for example, to the absolute lack of planning evident in the grabasstic fumbling around Waco 20 years ago or the complete cluster !@#$ of Katrina. Just having the lines of command and authority defined well enough to bring the hammer down this quickly is unbelievable. As emergency planning goes, what Boston and MA are showing should be the new gold standard. I had MSNBC on for about 10 minutes and this was the precise point being made by Mike Barnacle when I was watching. He said since 9/11 the city has been coordinating all of its agencies and that they were very prepared for this and you could see it on the streets as he was watching it evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 And getting into a shootout with police. They just happened to have that stockpile of explosive to throw at police. If by some chance they were ever wrongly accused of a horrible crime, they could throw them at police. Just about everyone is prepared for that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 They just happened to have that stockpile of explosive to throw at police. If by some chance they were ever wrongly accused of a horrible crime, they could throw them at police. Just about everyone is prepared for that, right? And the one who died had a bomb strapped to his chest, and it was basically the shrapnel from it that killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Seems the folks in the car being searched un NF are not Russian Nationals. http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/211292/37/Source-Police-Investigating-Car-from-Mass-in-Niagara-Falls?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge. Edited April 19, 2013 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 That might all be true, but listening to the police skannah, awe cant ghet phaaast der ahhchsents, ya bahstad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, Alex Jones....whatever you say. They found these two kids on the videos and tracked them down and just just happened to run away AND be armed, ready to get into a skirmish with basically every piece of law enforcement in New England. What would you do if your face was plastered all over TV as a suspect of such a crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 There is a 0% chance of this guy being taken alive. He could strip naked, drop to the ground, put his hands on his head, and still be shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 What would you do if your face was plastered all over TV as a suspect of such a crime? Strap a bomb to your chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 They just happened to have that stockpile of explosive to throw at police. If by some chance they were ever wrongly accused of a horrible crime, they could throw them at police. Just about everyone is prepared for that, right? I didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 And the one who died had a bomb strapped to his chest, and it was basically the shrapnel from it that killed him. I think about 75% of Boston residents keep a suicide vest on hand just in case they are ever wrongly accused of bombing the Boston marathon. They sell them in the supermarkets out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 What would you do if your face was plastered all over TV as a suspect of such a crime? Have bombs and guns at the ready? Kill a college security guard? Rob a convenient store? Engage in a shootout with the police? Or maybe turn myself and clear the whole thing up like another teenager did after seeing his picture printed in the NY Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think about 75% of Boston residents keep a suicide vest on hand just in case they are ever wrongly accused of bombing the Boston marathon. They sell them in the supermarkets out here. They don't affectionately call 'em Masssholes for nothin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'd still like to see the other one captured alive. What's his motive? What was he trying to accomplish? If he was trained by Al Qaeda why was it amateur night at the Apollo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I'd still like to see the other one captured alive. What's his motive? What was he trying to accomplish? If he was trained by Al Qaeda why was it amateur night at the Apollo? You have GOT to check out infowar.com! Edited April 19, 2013 by Gene Frenkle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Have bombs and guns at the ready? Kill a college security guard? Rob a convenient store? Engage in a shootout with the police? Or maybe turn myself and clear the whole thing up like another teenager did after seeing his picture printed in the NY Post. Rob a convenient store? Does that sound like the MO of Al Qaeda to you? You would think they could fund the whole operation better than that, wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Have bombs and guns at the ready? Kill a college security guard? Rob a convenient store? Engage in a shootout with the police? Or maybe turn myself and clear the whole thing up like another teenager did after seeing his picture printed in the NY Post. Classic Hezbollah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'd still like to see the other one captured alive. What's his motive? What was he trying to accomplish? If he was trained by Al Qaeda why was it amateur night at the Apollo? I agree with you. It's way too early but it seems to me this kid was not trained by Al Qaeda although that may prove to be the case because what has leaked may not be true. He has been here since he was about 9. It would be truly scary if he was trained like that. Rob a convenient store? Does that sound like the MO of Al Qaeda to you? You would think they could fund the whole operation better than that, wouldn't you? That's why people don't think it has anything to do with Al Qaeda. They had no money or resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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