Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Evaluating, targeting and acquiring talent clearly has no place in the nfl. Right, or convincing football players they will be winners with you if they follow your lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Evaluating, targeting and acquiring talent clearly has no place in the nfl. The one thing I will say is that Pete Carroll seems to have done a great job in Seattle along with GM John Schneider. I have a theory that one advantage that the college-to-NFL coaches have is a greater sense of college talent. Harbaugh's also done a great job in his short time in SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The one thing I will say is that Pete Carroll seems to have done a great job in Seattle along with GM John Schneider. I have a theory that one advantage that the college-to-NFL coaches have is a greater sense of college talent. Harbaugh's also done a great job in his short time in SF. Or in the age of free agency and short careers... Having experience transitioning guys into a new system quickly and effectively designing systems that are flexible for rapidly changing talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The one thing I will say is that Pete Carroll seems to have done a great job in Seattle along with GM John Schneider. I have a theory that one advantage that the college-to-NFL coaches have is a greater sense of college talent. Harbaugh's also done a great job in his short time in SF. Harbaugh was an NFL player - I have to believe that helps with the players. Has Chip Kelly played at all - at any level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Harbaugh was an NFL player - I have to believe that helps with the players. Has Chip Kelly played at all - at any level? Yes Harbaugh was a player. And what a player. "Captain Comeback." I've nearly memorized Harbaugh's Curriculum Vitae after trying to drive the point home that Chip Kelly is not a comparable to Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh played 15 years in the NFL. He was a 4-year letterman at Michigan. An All-American. As for Kelly all I know is that he did not play college football and that he never spent any time in the NFL as a player, as an assistant, as a waterboy. The only other NFL coach that I'm aware who didn't play college football is current Steelers OC Tod(d) Haley. The only NFL head coaches I'm aware that had zero NFL experience before being hired into the NFL are Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, names brought to our attention by other posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yes Harbaugh was a player. And what a player. "Captain Comeback." I've nearly memorized Harbaugh's Curriculum Vitae after trying to drive the point home that Chip Kelly is not a comparable to Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh played 15 years in the NFL. He was a 4-year letterman at Michigan. An All-American. As for Kelly all I know is that he did not play college football and that he never spent any time in the NFL as a player, as an assistant, as a waterboy. The only other NFL coach that I'm aware who didn't play college football is current Steelers OC Tod(d) Haley. The only NFL head coaches I'm aware that had zero NFL experience before being hired into the NFL are Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, names brought to our attention by other posters. Kelly never had ANY head coaching experience before he was hired as a HC, and I believe he is 46-7 in his coaching career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yes Harbaugh was a player. And what a player. "Captain Comeback." I've nearly memorized Harbaugh's Curriculum Vitae after trying to drive the point home that Chip Kelly is not a comparable to Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh played 15 years in the NFL. He was a 4-year letterman at Michigan. An All-American. As for Kelly all I know is that he did not play college football and that he never spent any time in the NFL as a player, as an assistant, as a waterboy. The only other NFL coach that I'm aware who didn't play college football is current Steelers OC Tod(d) Haley. The only NFL head coaches I'm aware that had zero NFL experience before being hired into the NFL are Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, names brought to our attention by other posters. Kelly never had ANY head coaching experience before he was hired as a HC, and I believe he is 46-7 in his coaching career. I know Kelly but he had 18 years experience as a college assistant before becoming a college head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Yes Harbaugh was a player. And what a player. "Captain Comeback." I've nearly memorized Harbaugh's Curriculum Vitae after trying to drive the point home that Chip Kelly is not a comparable to Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh played 15 years in the NFL. He was a 4-year letterman at Michigan. An All-American. As for Kelly all I know is that he did not play college football and that he never spent any time in the NFL as a player, as an assistant, as a waterboy. The only other NFL coach that I'm aware who didn't play college football is current Steelers OC Tod(d) Haley. The only NFL head coaches I'm aware that had zero NFL experience before being hired into the NFL are Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, names brought to our attention by other posters. Not a pro for Kelly but.... Spurrier? I think. Mike Riley? Lou holtz 1 year with the jets! Dennis Erickson. Not totally unique on that matrix, but got a bad rep for a reason when it was popular a decade ago Edited January 4, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The only NFL head coaches I'm aware that had zero NFL experience before being hired into the NFL are Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, names brought to our attention by other posters. Vince Lombardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Vince Lombardi. Vince Lombardi was offensive co ordinator for the Giants before he got the job in Green Bay. Tom Landry was the defensive co ordinator for the same Giants team. Talk about a coaching tree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Vince Lombardi. Lombardi had been an assistant with the Giants for years before getting the HC gig in Green Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Vince Lombardi. Lombardi was an assistant with the NY Giants, alongside Tom Landry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Lombardi had been an assistant with the Giants for years before getting the HC gig in Green Bay. I thought SJBF was referring to no experience as an NFL player because earlier references in the post were about being a player. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Did anyone here know that Lombardi was an assistant coach with the Giants before coaching for Green Bay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Did anyone here know that Lombardi was an assistant coach with the Giants before coaching for Green Bay? boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Good piece of video, breaks down his scheme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9fWpnxyUcU&feature=youtu.be Cool video. Thanks for posting it. I wonder though, if as hard to find and such a high value that NFL QBs have, do you really want him being a 2nd running back? Running QBs have a tendency to get injured in the NFL. Vick always is and RG3 has had his injury problems as well. Cam and Wilson have stayed healthy so far. I know he says he would do what the players he has dictates. But that's exactly what Chan Gailey said when hired and then tried to shoe a horn in a spread 5 wide passing attack. Coaches like to say this but more often than not do what they've always done especially if it has worked at some point. I liked the play where he had the RB out to the side and passed it out to him with a blocker out front. That will get totally sniffed out in the NFL just like a lot of Gailey's screens did in the 2nd half of the season. Hopefully if we hire him he will be able to make adjustments to this stuff week to week. From watching the Ducks a lot I do know that he seems to make really good half time adjustments. Ducks are slow starters but pour it on in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I now there are many threads about Chip Kelly but none have really gotten into How his Offense actually works and how it would work in the NFL. I feels this deserves a thread of it's own as the others are just hey he's great lets get him Vs he's not NFL no thanks. three must-reads to share that give you a strong look inside Kelly's allure that you should start with. Patriots no-huddle relies on power of one - The Boston Globe Bill Belichick - considered the most innovative coach in the NFL - has picked Kelly's brain about his spread offense several times now. Those sessions have produced a tangible change in New England's offensive strategy: they run an absurd number of plays per game, as compared to other NFL teams. More specifically, the Pats have mimicked a Kelly wrinkle wherein the offense can discern formation, blocking scheme, play direction, routes for receivers, formation shifts, snap count and potential audibles with one spoken word. Oregon Hones Prolific Offense During Frenetic Practices - NYTimes.com Kelly's offense is his claim to fame, but the way he runs a practice is a close second. This article goes in-depth on the pacing and structure of Kelly's short, rep-intensive and music-oriented practices. There are obvious benefits - conditioning being the biggest one Coach Chip Kelly Explains the Oregon Spread Offense – FishDuck.com What better way to get to know Chip Kelly than to read a seven-page presentation on Oregon's running game that the coach gave at a clinic in 2009? Titled "The Zone Read Option Game," Kelly weaves his core coaching philosophies into technical breakdowns of his bread and butter calls versus various defensive looks. Reading papers like this is always fascinating; it's especially intriguing when it comes from the mind of a coach that big-name veterans are seeking out. This is the absolute must-read of the bunch." http://www.buffaloru...s-buffalo-bills Also; "There's been a lot of speculation about the manner in which the offense Kelly uses at Oregon might translate into the NFL should he get a coaching job in Philadelphia or anywhere else, and Kelly addressed this in a news conference, per Les: "Anything you do has to be personnel-driven," Kelly said, when asked a question about offensive adaptations flowing out of the college game into the NFL. "You've gotta be able to adapt to the personnel that you have. There's a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have? I think the key is being sure what you're doing is giving your players the chance to be successful." http://espn.go.com/b...ting-an-offense Edited January 4, 2013 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Jersey Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 This is some impressive info...does it bother anyone else that he so freely talks about all of this? In a copy-cat league he sure would be making it easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) My concern about the Chip Kelly offense are described below. I'm not saying no to this system, but consider it before you buy in. It is the 3 and out... When that offense fails to gain a first down, they only take 45 seconds (or less) off the game clock. Now look at our opponents next year, teams with quarterbacks like Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady (2x). If the Chip Kelly offense is off the field the defense has to be on point and do it on short rest. I remember watching a Bills game back in the K-gun days with Paul McGuire in the booth. The opponent's defense (I don't remember who it was, sorry) had our number. After multiple Bills 3 and outs, and a gassed defense they game quickly spiraled out of control. Edited January 4, 2013 by judman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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