Awwufelloff Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The Bills became the first team since the 1986 Jets to allow at least 45 points in four games in one season. We need a complete overhaul in our defensive strategy. This starts by firing Wanny, and drafting Teo in the first round! Any other suggestions on how to help this horrendous D out? Go back to 3-4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djstidd13bbills Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I suggest hiring a defensive minded coach as head coach. Vic Fangio, Perry Fewell, Mike Zimmer or one of the Ryan bros. They all know how to get maximum effort out of their defenses and specifically the front 7. Our pass D would look a lot better with some pressure on the other teams QB's. Also the best decision to help the D is get a new qb and new OC who is willing to pound the rock and keep the chains moving. A rested D is a good one, look at the 49ers Sunday night. As soon as their offense sputtered the defense got wore down and the patriots nearly pulled off a huge comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The Bills became the first team since the 1986 Jets to allow at least 45 points in four games in one season. We need a complete overhaul in our defensive strategy. This starts by firing Wanny, and drafting Teo in the first round! Any other suggestions on how to help this horrendous D out? Go back to 3-4? Defensive scheme was changed, players needed to mesh, one of the worst corners in the league in Aaron Williams, which every opposing coach could see which is why he was targeted. Changing the scheme now will just cause another year of horrible play, the defense has been improving vastly and but for a few easy dropped picks, could've won us games. Every week our defense gets a bit better, firing Wannstedt is a mistake, he's been throwing disguises and sending more than 4 a lot more. He no longer tops the list of guys on the chopping block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Defensive scheme was changed, players needed to mesh, one of the worst corners in the league in Aaron Williams, which every opposing coach could see which is why he was targeted. Changing the scheme now will just cause another year of horrible play, the defense has been improving vastly and but for a few easy dropped picks, could've won us games. Every week our defense gets a bit better, firing Wannstedt is a mistake, he's been throwing disguises and sending more than 4 a lot more. He no longer tops the list of guys on the chopping block. Is this a serious post on Wannacrap? Because unless his D is playing total chumps (see the abysmal 5 wins) They get their butts handed to them in a huge way. See the Seahawks played 3 days ago for a reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The scheming is decent enough. Player discilpline is lacking. With A williams off the field we improved. I still wish to see Someone screaming at players who lose gap control or play lost. Including Mario who did just that 3 times last weekend. Keep Wanny for another season and let's not discuss the offense for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The Bills became the first team since the 1986 Jets to allow at least 45 points in four games in one season. We need a complete overhaul in our defensive strategy. This starts by firing Wanny, and drafting Teo in the first round! Any other suggestions on how to help this horrendous D out? Go back to 3-4? 4-3 vs. 3-4 really doesn't matter much. Most of the best Ds these days play a hybrid anyway. Unless you've got a real 3-4 guru like Wade Phillips, you're better off just sticking with whatever fits your personnel, and for us that's a 4-3. (And even Wade Phillips greatly adapts his 3-4 to suit his personnel. The Texans play more of a 5-2 this year.) Plus, our biggest problem is that our players are almost always fooled or out of sync on misdirection. We usually do fine against vanilla stuff (see that recent stretch against bad teams where we held them all well below their season averages). All of Seattle's big plays were on misdirection, and that's been typical all year. Usually the big plays we give up on the ground come down to 1 of two things. On Wilson's first TD run, both Mario and Bryan Scott went for Lynch, which left no one to pick up Wilson. That's #1, and it's a problem of either the players not properly knowing their roles, or being enough out of sync that they made different reads of the play. #2 happened on either Lynch's 54-yard run or his TD run, I forget which. After the game, Barnett talked about how he was supposed to cover the B gap, but was worried about Wilson keeping it, so he freelanced to Wilson's side, and Lynch went right through the empty B gap. Barnett did the same thing on one of Chris Johnson's long TD runs when we played Tennessee. If one guy doesn't trust his teammates to do their jobs and freelances, it can go well if he happens to guess right and/or is an amazing physical freak. However, it more frequently results in a good play for the offense, as long as it's a well-run offense. Anyway, I think both of those problems are mostly the result of coaching, but not so much scheme-specific stuff as leadership stuff. It's the coaches' job to get everyone on the same page and trusting each other, and they've failed miserably in that regard. I continue to say that there is enough talent on this defense for it to be at least competent. Probably not good enough in the back 7 to be dominant for a whole season, especially if our young CB's don't improve, but definitely talented enough to be middling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yes,yes, its time for a rebuilding project and the average is 4 years..... How exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yes,yes, its time for a rebuilding project and the average is 4 years..... How exciting Maybe in the 80's. If the Bills had a) a stud QB like any number of other teams or b) Jim Harbaugh, they would've made the playoffs this season. They're not that far off. What are you afraid of the Bengals? The Ravens? The Steelers? The Jets? As much as it sucks, if they could just tweak a few MAJOR positions, they could very easily make the playoffs next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Maybe in the 80's. If the Bills had a) a stud QB like any number of other teams or b) Jim Harbaugh, they would've made the playoffs this season. They're not that far off. What are you afraid of the Bengals? The Ravens? The Steelers? The Jets? As much as it sucks, if they could just tweak a few MAJOR positions, they could very easily make the playoffs next season. Maybe in the 80's. If the Bills had a) a stud QB like any number of other teams or b) Jim Harbaugh, they would've made the playoffs this season. They're not that far off. What are you afraid of the Bengals? The Ravens? The Steelers? The Jets? As much as it sucks, if they could just tweak a few MAJOR positions, they could very easily make the playoffs next season. Come on dude, the team is going backwards...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 why is drafting Te'o a solution to every single defensive problem in this thread? HE IS NOT THAT GOOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) 4-3 vs. 3-4 really doesn't matter much. Most of the best Ds these days play a hybrid anyway. Unless you've got a real 3-4 guru like Wade Phillips, you're better off just sticking with whatever fits your personnel, and for us that's a 4-3. (And even Wade Phillips greatly adapts his 3-4 to suit his personnel. The Texans play more of a 5-2 this year.) Plus, our biggest problem is that our players are almost always fooled or out of sync on misdirection. We usually do fine against vanilla stuff (see that recent stretch against bad teams where we held them all well below their season averages). All of Seattle's big plays were on misdirection, and that's been typical all year. Usually the big plays we give up on the ground come down to 1 of two things. On Wilson's first TD run, both Mario and Bryan Scott went for Lynch, which left no one to pick up Wilson. That's #1, and it's a problem of either the players not properly knowing their roles, or being enough out of sync that they made different reads of the play. #2 happened on either Lynch's 54-yard run or his TD run, I forget which. After the game, Barnett talked about how he was supposed to cover the B gap, but was worried about Wilson keeping it, so he freelanced to Wilson's side, and Lynch went right through the empty B gap. Barnett did the same thing on one of Chris Johnson's long TD runs when we played Tennessee. If one guy doesn't trust his teammates to do their jobs and freelances, it can go well if he happens to guess right and/or is an amazing physical freak. However, it more frequently results in a good play for the offense, as long as it's a well-run offense. Anyway, I think both of those problems are mostly the result of coaching, but not so much scheme-specific stuff as leadership stuff. It's the coaches' job to get everyone on the same page and trusting each other, and they've failed miserably in that regard. I continue to say that there is enough talent on this defense for it to be at least competent. Probably not good enough in the back 7 to be dominant for a whole season, especially if our young CB's don't improve, but definitely talented enough to be middling. Well done post. A few tiny tweaks I might make here or there but generally, yes, in a word. On th Mario bite, we had guys behind but they bit on the Wilson fake inside and gave away the outside run (common issue that our guys get sucked inside and give away the edge - ill reference a Johnson run against Tennessee later). Trust isn't there. It's ugly. That makes sense with players calling each other out. Having the linebacker play be so weak has safeties getting out of position to cover, safeties getting sucked into improper gaps trying to cover instead of maintain assignment (I think Wilson got killed with that a few times, I'm picturing the shorter Johnson td run that got wide, much like Wilson did and George Wilson got inside and gave away everything outside the hash), and I imagine it happening on the defensive line (trying to help close holes that you don't trust LBs to make a play at).... It got killed but they just need to fit it up as DW has said. Guys leaving their assignments has killed us in several games. It's really frustrating. Not totally unexpected but I didn't think it would have been this bad. Edited December 19, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Here's another stat that I saw today. The two best QBR performances of the year in the NFL are against the Bills (Wilson, A. Smith) as well as two more in the top 12 (Sanchez, Brady). http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/type/player-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 McKelvin was an upgrade over Aaron Williams. The coaches didn't see that at the start of the year? Kyle Moore should've been playing ahead of other guys at the start of the season. Since Mario had the wrist procedure he's been much improved. Wannstedt has to go. The Jets scored 48 and the Titans scored 35, were those offenses impressive last night? The defense has some talent, not getting any sort of performance has to cost some people jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 . Every week our defense gets a bit better, firing Wannstedt is a mistake, he's been throwing disguises and sending more than 4 a lot more. He no longer tops the list of guys on the chopping block. arent you supposed to be working on the defense Wanny instead of posting here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I suggest hiring a defensive minded coach as head coach. Like Gregg Williams or Dick Jauron? How about we just find a better DC? If the Jets fire Rex, I'd call him up right away to try to hire him as DC. That would be fun. And I suspect our D would improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 McKelvin was an upgrade over Aaron Williams. The coaches didn't see that at the start of the year? Kyle Moore should've been playing ahead of other guys at the start of the season. Since Mario had the wrist procedure he's been much improved. Wannstedt has to go. The Jets scored 48 and the Titans scored 35, were those offenses impressive last night? The defense has some talent, not getting any sort of performance has to cost some people jobs. The reason for the Titans was because of hasselback starting...hes better than locker but has to ride the bench. Other issue was poor decisions by Gailey. With the Jets they were actually motivated..not because of something buffalo did byt what the NY press did just prior to the oponenr and totally tipped them apart which motivated them. Since then you saw the real Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The reason for the Titans was because of hasselback starting... I went to that game and for weeks before was hoping that Locker would start. Thanks goodness we didn't draft him. I wouldn't mind having Hass as our QB next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The Bills became the first team since the 1986 Jets to allow at least 45 points in four games in one season. We need a complete overhaul in our defensive strategy. This starts by firing Wanny, and drafting Teo in the first round! Any other suggestions on how to help this horrendous D out? Go back to 3-4? Unless we get some help and end up with a top 5 pick, we will not be getting Teo without a major trade. Teo will be top 5, probably top 3, and might even go #1 overall. So until we got a top 5 pick, I would start looking for another option at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Another interesting stat. Most turnovers by QBs the past two years. M. Sanchez - 50 P. Rivers - 47 R. Fitzpatrick - 45 This makes a crappy defense even crappier when they have to be on the field so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The reason for the Titans was because of hasselback starting...hes better than locker but has to ride the bench. Other issue was poor decisions by Gailey. With the Jets they were actually motivated..not because of something buffalo did byt what the NY press did just prior to the oponenr and totally tipped them apart which motivated them. Since then you saw the real Jets. Hasselbeck's numbers vs the Bills were pretty average. They're giving up the most points in the league. Bring back Wannstedt would be as big of a failure as bringing back Gailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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