BillsWatch Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If you don't think a player who knows game-planning details can provide a competitive advantage to another team, why does the NFL prohibit a team from signing a player off their next opponent's practice squad during the week before the game? http://www.ehow.com/...es-waivers.html Because NFLPA would fight it tooth and nail no matter what the reason especially week 1 where many players could committed by team to pay and then if the player is cut gets paid full amount - their favorite payment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If you don't think a player who knows game-planning details can provide a competitive advantage to another team, why does the NFL prohibit a team from signing a player off their next opponent's practice squad during the week before the game? http://www.ehow.com/...es-waivers.html In this situation and with this particular player, Derek Hagan, IMO is a scrub. Loveable or not, he's gone. He is Not NFL quality. Derek Hagan contributed zero to a 6-10 team, if there is an advantage to him knowing anything of value, and for the jets to gameplan around is just not happening. He is a fringe player. But, Jerry Rice in his first year with the Raiders after being with the 49ers for over a decade, probably could have some serious insights for a new team and coach. I will sleep easy because if Hagan is signed, and plays against the Bills it will be to the Bills advantage. Not the jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 All practice squad players are "fringe players" by definition, so if a "fringe player" (to use your term) can't provide any sort of competitive advantage to a new team, why do NFL rules prohibit a team from signing a player off their next opponent's practice squad during the week before the game? The potential advantage to the Jets here is Hagan's knowledge, not his journeyman talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 It really comes down to talent and not knowledge of the play. You either can run with the big dogs or you can't. Even if you know where the play is headed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) So why did the Pats* get punished for violating league rules about videotaping opponents' signals, if talent is the only thing that matters? If talent was the only thing that mattered, there would be no reason to outlaw such videotaping. Edited September 5, 2012 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If they sign him I hope he drops one in the EZ that hits him in the hands like he did in the Lions game on sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 After you sgn a contract now on I believe it's in not guarentted for the year...thus the player get a per game heck until they are released. After the first week of games IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Gosh, it's good the Bills would never do something like this, like signing Lawyer Milloy the year we played the Pats in the season opener, just 4 days before the game. Yeah - except Milloy was a star who went on to start with the Bills for years. Hagan is not Milloy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Well looks like they know they can't beat us straight up so there fishing for our game plan lol... Yup, although I'm sure (or at least hope) the Bills thought of this possibility long ago. I doubt Hagan has a ton of info to even give them, he was almost certainly not involved in much if any Jets game planning. Also, keep in mind the Jets are very weak at WR. In this case they could really be looking at him to fill a need. Edited September 5, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Honestly? Laughable! I disagree that this notion is laughable. Why would the Patriots* (and other teams) take such a risk with Spygate just to figure out other teams signals, if there wasn't some kind of advantage to be gleaned from advance knowledge. If you truly believe Hagan had no knowledge of our game plan or signals and tendencies on offense because he is a marginal player I would say you likely incorrect. I am not saying he sat with Chan at diner and drew up a secret play on a napkin, but he could potentially have some information that the opposing coach would find useful. Edited September 5, 2012 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is why preseason games are not a big deal. Teams don't load up the corporate knowledge during training camp because they know players will be leaving. If you are a cut player, you aren't an instantous strategic intelligence asset for another team. The good stuff is being installed this week. And for guys like Gailey who show absolutely nothing until the games count, I have to think that the schemes and packages are nearly state secrets in Bills camp between the coaches and starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Anybody know when the Bills began closing some of their practices to the media? I suspect that the "best" stuff gets installed after final cutdown day, but if Hagan particpated in any practices that were closed to the media, I would think he has at least some non-public information about the Bills' offensive plans. Otherwise, why close those practices to the public? Besides, NE has dominated the AFC East for a long time, and the Phish are going to be starting a rookie QB this season. So Chan has to figure that the games against the Jets are key to making the playoffs this year. He has a lot of incentive to be extra prepared for this season opener, and I don't know if he would want to rely solely on this week to install everything needed for the Jets game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 It really comes down to talent and not knowledge of the play. You either can run with the big dogs or you can't. Even if you know where the play is headed or not. Nutshell. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) So why even bother to study other teams' tendencies if you can just rely on "big dog" talent? Edited September 5, 2012 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canks Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Are the Jets working him out hoping he can start at QB for them? are sanchez and tebow really that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 He probably told them to stay away from Gilmore and try to pick on Williams. Not exactly secret info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 In the grand scheme of things, I'm sure Hagan knows plenty about the playbook and potential for gameplans against certain teams. But..... This is the first game of the season, and just because Chan and the Bills have been practicing certain plays all offseason doesn't mean that's our gameplan for the Jets. My guess is they would take this game no different than any other in the season. 1 week go prepare (gameplan wise) for the Jets. That's 1 week to install way plays you open up with, plan to pop out in the game, decide if your going to pass or run more, etc, etc, etc... I do think Hagan has a knowledge of what we COULD do against the Jets but chances are he has no idea what we will do against them. We probably didn't even start practicing it on the field until we got our PS signed. That's what the PS is there for. Practice. Lawyer was different on all fronts. Not only was he a long standing veteran of the team, he was cut 4 days before the opener, not 1 1/2 weeks like hagan. He was likely in on some of the gameplan talks and how they will open against the Bills. Either way, it didn't matter because we planned on keeping him long term anyway. If anything, it was just a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Gosh, it's good the Bills would never do something like this, like signing Lawyer Milloy the year we played the Pats in the season opener, just 4 days before the game. GOSH, the difference is we intended to start Milloy and he was a great player then. I doubt Hagan even makes their roster. 2 completely different scenerios. Edited September 5, 2012 by DreReed83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Couple of thoughts off the top of my head: 1 -- Unless Hagan receives a guaranteed contract from the Jets, he'd be pretty foolish to undermine the Bills since he is likely on their short list for injury callbacks. 2 -- While the coaching staff has been preparing a gameplan for the Jets for months, I don't believe they begin practicing and revealing it to the players until after final cuts. In other words, Hagan knows the plays the Bills run and their terminology, but that's not exactly a deep dark secret. I doubt the Bills are worried about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Couple of thoughts off the top of my head: 1 -- Unless Hagan receives a guaranteed contract from the Jets, he'd be pretty foolish to undermine the Bills since he is likely on their short list for injury callbacks. 2 -- While the coaching staff has been preparing a gameplan for the Jets for months, I don't believe they begin practicing and revealing it to the players until after final cuts. In other words, Hagan knows the plays the Bills run and their terminology, but that's not exactly a deep dark secret. I doubt the Bills are worried about this. Exactly my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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