Donald Duck Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "Don't call them tricks." silly rabbit, tricks are for kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 What's the view point on child abuse negligence? Could GZ be guilty of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 silly rabbit, tricks are for kids Your best post yet. You responded within the context of the discussion and only embarrassed yourself slightly. I think we've finally found a topic you're fit to discuss: breakfast food jingles. You should ply your wares over on the SSS board, Simpletons, Slogans, & Sereals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Florida doesn't HAVE a third-degree murder statute. "Child abuse" as a contributing factor in a death is still second degree felony murder. Well Tom, I (thankfully) am not familiar with Florida law, but several of the media outlets that I have checked are still referring to the State's motion this AM as a a request for 3rd degree. In a surprise move this morning, the prosecution asked the Judge to drop the Aggravated Assault charge and to instruct the jury on Third Degree Murder, which is murder in the course of committing a felony. The felony the State wanted as the predicate was Aggravated Child Abuse (Jury Instruction) because Trayvon Martin was 17 at the time of the shooting. According to Don West, the defense was not notified until 7:30 a.m. this morning. Jury in Zimmerman case may consider other charges By MIKE SCHNEIDER and KYLE HIGHTOWER Associated Press http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-11-10-13-00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 This child abuse maneuver is just an attempt to confuse the jury. If they can't prove the elements of murder 2 or manslaughter the age makes no difference. Shooting your assailant in self-defense doesn't stop being self-defense just because the assailant was under 18 and everyone in the courtroom with a law degree knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 What's the view point on child abuse negligence? Could GZ be guilty of that? The only argument that supports that is "he shot a kid," which is the worst kind of circular reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 This is a !@#$ing circus. This entire event is just a black eye on all things that this country has become. In one simple test. If TM was alive today with a gun shoot wound or less and/or incident broken up before lethal - would GZ face charges or would TM? TM would face assault charges, possibly attempted murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well Tom, I (thankfully) am not familiar with Florida law, but several of the media outlets that I have checked are still referring to the State's motion this AM as a a request for 3rd degree. In a surprise move this morning, the prosecution asked the Judge to drop the Aggravated Assault charge and to instruct the jury on Third Degree Murder, which is murder in the course of committing a felony. The felony the State wanted as the predicate was Aggravated Child Abuse (Jury Instruction) because Trayvon Martin was 17 at the time of the shooting. According to Don West, the defense was not notified until 7:30 a.m. this morning. Jury in Zimmerman case may consider other charges By MIKE SCHNEIDER and KYLE HIGHTOWER Associated Press http://hosted.ap.org...-07-11-10-13-00 Well, that's interesting. 'Cause when I looked it up this morning, the Florida statutes said something completely different. Seriously...I even checked my browser cache. The state web site listing the statues said differently two hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The only argument that supports that is "he shot a kid," which is the worst kind of circular reasoning. That before the confrontation occured was never proved to have commited a crime in the 1st place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 That before the confrontation occured was never proved to have commited a crime in the 1st place. Well, except for beating the **** out of Zimmerman... You always forget that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I really don't know which outcome would be better: letting this innocent man go, or sending him to jail to avoid the riots (knowing he'll be freed on appeal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well, that's interesting. 'Cause when I looked it up this morning, the Florida statutes said something completely different. Seriously...I even checked my browser cache. The state web site listing the statues said differently two hours ago. Or reading comprehension isn't your specialty Well, except for beating the **** out of Zimmerman... You always forget that part. let me help you with this before the confrontation occured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 before the confrontation occured But according to you, Martin was a "criminal element." So prove a crime wasn't committed before the confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I really don't know which outcome would be better: letting this innocent man go, or sending him to jail to avoid the riots (knowing he'll be freed on appeal) I suppose, that if you believe in due process and cling to a slipping American system, the former is better. Or if you prefer to style yourself after Egypt, and subscribe to a doctrine based on mob rule, the latter is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Are we going to have any memorable lines in the closing arguments? Instead of, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit," how about, "Trayvon ate Skittles, so you must acquittle!" (I'm sure someone else can do better ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I suppose, that if you believe in due process and cling to a slipping American system, the former is better. Or if you prefer to style yourself after Egypt, and subscribe to a doctrine based on mob rule, the latter is better. Honestly...either outcome results in "mob rule". It's just a question of whether you want it enforced in a controlled manner by the courts, or an uncontrolled manner by the rioters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Are we going to have any memorable lines in the closing arguments? Instead of, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit," how about, "Trayvon ate Skittles, so you must acquittle!" (I'm sure someone else can do better ) If you shoot a kid, you must do your bid! Honestly...either outcome results in "mob rule". It's just a question of whether you want it enforced in a controlled manner by the courts, or an uncontrolled manner by the rioters. You've got a very broad definition of "mob rule" there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 You've got a very broad definition of "mob rule" there. Yeah...but I don't think it's inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Surprisingly, the judge ruled AGAINST allowing the child abuse charge to be an option. That shows how out of left field that one was that even she vetoed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) But according to you, Martin was a "criminal element." So prove a crime wasn't committed before the confrontation. according to me, Zimmerman portrayed T martin as a criminal element it doesn't mean he was one... Edited July 11, 2013 by dog14787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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