Rams, Redskins make a deal for the #2 pick

[Sisyphean Bills]

As always, it all depends what the team does with the #1's. I would've traded Lil Donte, Marshawn, McKelvin, and Maybin for RG3 lol.

Exactly. A team that converts 1st round picks into 4th rounders in trade could do worse.

[DallasBillsFan1]

I hope RG3 has a great career ... exciting player. He'll be fun to watch.

Having said that, RG3 should be concerned about Mr Snyder's bad luck ... he's an overspender and typically makes poor decisions running the football team.

Also, I always liked Mike Shanahan ,,, the guy was a stud in Denver. I recall that one Denver (against San Diego) game where Denver scored touchdown and the extra point would've tied the game but Shanny decided

to go for two points and Denver won. BUT ... I have the sense that it is over for Shanahan. He's lost IT. Lame move and subsequent excuse for pulling McNabb a couple years ago and just poor decisions with personnel

and game management. It's so over.

I could see this deal for Luck, but not for RG3 ... huge gamble, very risky. But hey, Mr Snyder is a multi millionaire and I made 50k last year.

[CSBill]

http://profootballta...-for-no-2-pick/

 

Glazer says that the teams will swap first-round picks in 2012, with St. Louis taking the No. 6 pick. The Rams also get two future first-round picks and additional selections, one of which is believed to be a second-rounder.

(2) #1's

(1) #2

and at least another pick. Damn!

 

I hope he pulls an Eli and comes out and says he won't play for the Redskins

[Bufcomments]

Rams got a sweet deal. 3 first rounders. They can get some good talent with good drafting.

 

But RG3 might be worth it. If he has a season like Cam did last yr for the Panthers it will do 2 things for the Skins.

 

Give them a franchise QB.

Just as important it might lead to getting more free agents to go to DC.

 

They have to go the free agent way next 2yrs anyway.

 

Time will tell but it was a bold move.

[#34fan]

We need to copy the Redskins as "serious about winning?"

 

I know. Sad, isn't it

[OCinBuffalo]

EDIT: How funny is it that I can predict ahead of time, with ease, that the only team dumb enough to make this trade....is the Redskins?

 

TOTALLY WORTH IT !!!.....good move washington

 

they only gave up unproven draft picks.....they still have that salary cap space to spend on proven free agents.

How many unproven draft picks did it take to get Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jim F'ing Kelly--->this list goes on forever. So, you are saying that this guy is a better player, already, than those guys + whoever the next picks are?

 

Ludicrous.

Congrats to the Redskins, the NFC East will continue to be must-see TV. Agree that it was an awful lot to give up, but they owed their fanbase something after a year of Beck/Grossman. Congrats to the Rams too, nice haul.

Oh now this is just F'ing hysterical. What have the Redskins been doing to the their fanbase for the last 10 years? Adam Archuleta ring a bell? How about Albert Haynesworth? It would be a lot more funny if it was the Dolphins, and the fact that it is the Redskins, again, reduces the humor. Deserve? You actually used the word....deserve? Look, I understand antipathy for DC as much as next guy, especially given the people that are there now, but, how in the hell do the Redskin fans deserve another ass raping? Dude, Giant fans are feeling sorry for these people today.

 

The only thing the Redskins fanbase gets from Dan Snyder is BOHICA.

 

Any self-respecting Redskins fan is either over 50 years old and still doing the dress up like a pig thing....cause there's nowhere left to go, or is a Ravens fan now.

So really it's 2 ones and a two? No brainer for the Skins. Great deal for them.

 

And the Rams.

You've stated it. No brain. A safety that can't play in your scheme...or, for that matter a DL that refuses to play in your scheme. No Brainer! Hysterical! But hey....these are "aggressive" moves, right?

Losman? Not even in the same discussion with this kid. It's apples and oranges. This kid is the real deal. He's worth the shot the Skins took. Losman was a panic move. Like McCargo.

And what about McGahee? Hey, you started it with the "genius trade up moves" you've already referred to, why not finish it off with the rest of the idiocy? Worth the shot? Again, given the last 10 years of Dan Snyder's "aggressive" (read: stupid) moves, you think this one....is going pay off. Really. You have the memory of a single cell bacteria. Yeah, there may be a lot of you, and you can reproduce yourselves rapidly.....but....we're talking bacteria

Take notes, OBD. -This is what franchises that are serious about winning do. This will probably go down as the "All In" move of the decade. BIG things will be expected from Griffin (or Luck) in a relatively short period of time. With the right pieces in place, whichever kid is picked at two should be fine.

Serious....about.....winning.... with the Reskins pattern of behavior and accompanying results....

 

2 words come to mind: Ricky Williams. Google that, if you are serious...about....winning....and "moves of the decade". Keep in mind: you said Big Things....and, expected.....

 

 

As I clearly disclaimed in the other thread prior to this idiocy: the only people stupid enough to make this trade were the Redskins....and that if they came to us looking to trade up....we should rape them, because for some reason they seem to like it. The Rams? This isn't even outside the conference Yes, the Rams will be dominating the Redskins you know where for the next 4 years.

 

2 things I know to be true:

There is no difference between good flan and bad flan

and

the Redskins will offer their backsides to whatever Thespian comes along.

 

Money? That's why this is OK? There are a lot more guys who have pissed away fortunes than have capitalized them properly, going all the way back to the Phoneticians. The main thing that I find over and over with "the rich" is: too many get outside what they know. Snyder should have stuck with annoying direct mail campaigns. He knows that. He sure as hell doesn't know football.

 

Are you guys trolls? Or, are you simply doing the CYA thing now that we see the actual cost of an RG3 trade?

Edited March 11, 2012 by OCinBuffalo

[KD in CA]

Wow, brilliant deal for the Rams. They get all those pick plus they will probably still land they guy who will help their team the most anyway -- Justin Blackmon. The biggest problem with Bradford so far is he has no one to throw to.

 

 

[Doc]

I know. Sad, isn't it

JiA was joking. Or at least I hope he was. The Skins are the last team you want to copy, much less for ideas on "winning♦♠."

[papazoid]

let's say you have $5 mil of cap space to spend...

 

 

would you rather have a proven player like...let's say the Bills Nick Burnett at $4 mil/yr...

 

or take a chance on a #1 pick like....lets say Luke Kuechly or Courtney Upshaw ?

 

 

my point is, washington is simply losing the "take a chance on a #1" option, and now must "take a chance on a proven player".

 

they haven't lost the salary cap slot. that #1 pick is being replaced by a free agent. they still get a player to fill that salary cap slot. i call that a wash (no pun intended).

[Watchin_at_Jimmys]

Real deal? Like Brady Quinn , jamarcuss Russell, Ryan leaf, aliki smith, blaine gabbert, or the other countless qbs that were considered a sure thing by everyone? The chances of rgIII having a cam newton rookie season is terribly small. I wouldnt mind throwing a pick or two for him, but giving up the farm for a player that could very well be a bust? If he does turn out to be a bust, then you will have to wait like 4-5 years to draft another top tier prospect because you have no more 1st round picks. If the panthers traded up to the 1st round to get clausen they never would have gotten newton.

 

I am all for getting a stud qb, but I don't want to be enslaved to bust with the only way to draft a replacement is by using a 2nd rounder. That will get you nowhere.

 

I totally agree. There is no way to know whether RGIII or any QB coming out of college can process what's happening after the ball is snapped at the SPEED of the NFL. On top of that, the fans and the media here in DC have very little patience with their sports teams. Having paid such a steep price for RGIII will only increase the pressure on him. Tom Boswell has an article in the Washington Post today where he looked at all QBs taken in the first and second rounds over tha past 20 years. Their combined record for their first season is 50-115. It's their second and third years where you really find out if they can play. Given the atmosphere in this town (and I hope for RGIII's sake I'm wrong) I don't think RGIII makes it that far if he doesn't produce this year.

[Beerball]

For everyone saying that the Redskins gave up 3 first round picks at least acknowledge the overall #2 pick in this draft that they got back in return.

 

For everyone wondering gleefully how the Redskins will feel if Griffin is drafted #1...what NFL QB is Luck referred to quite often? The most complete QB entering the draft since John Elway. Do you really think that Shanny would not look forward to that?

 

It's not a sure thing, but...it is exactly what many here were clammoring for last year regarding Newton. My own feelings were that if Nix and Co. thought Newton was the man then they should do everything possible to get him. That's what Washington did this time around. I've already said it, but I would have no problem with the Bills making this deal. A swap of #1s this year and 2 first round picks are OK in my book. They are taking a huge chance, but the potential rewards are 'huger' IMO.

[MDH]

TOTALLY WORTH IT !!!.....good move washington

 

 

 

they only gave up unproven draft picks.....they still have that salary cap space to spend on proven free agents.

 

They gave up 4 unproven draft picks - for a single unproven draft pick, all to move up for slots. 4 slots.

 

 

I wonder how Washington is going to build their team around RG3 if they have no picks to do so. RG3 has to be a Hall of Fame QB for this to be worth it.

[Billsfreak17]

Congrats to the Redskins, the NFC East will continue to be must-see TV. Agree that it was an awful lot to give up, but they owed their fanbase something after a year of Beck/Grossman. Congrats to the Rams too, nice haul.

Now that the redskins are 2nd in the draft, they can get a franchise QB (RG3). RG3 is a fast,strong QB, and that is what the redskins need. The redskins got Gaffney as a WR and he is a WR that RG3 will love, they also got Chris Cooley as a TE and he will be another great Blocker\receiver that RG3 will like. I say if they some more good players in the draft they will surprise a lot of teams. LIKE THE BILLS!!

[Doc]

let's say you have $5 mil of cap space to spend...

 

 

would you rather have a proven player like...let's say the Bills Nick Burnett at $4 mil/yr...

 

or take a chance on a #1 pick like....lets say Luke Kuechly or Courtney Upshaw ?

 

 

my point is, washington is simply losing the "take a chance on a #1" option, and now must "take a chance on a proven player".

 

they haven't lost the salary cap slot. that #1 pick is being replaced by a free agent. they still get a player to fill that salary cap slot. i call that a wash (no pun intended).

You're ignoring the fact that they gave up taking a chance on 3 other theoretically good to great (depending on when they pick in the next 2 drafts) players so they could take a chance on one player, a QB, which has a high bust rate.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

let's say you have $5 mil of cap space to spend...

 

 

would you rather have a proven player like...let's say the Bills Nick Burnett at $4 mil/yr...

 

or take a chance on a #1 pick like....lets say Luke Kuechly or Courtney Upshaw ?

 

 

my point is, washington is simply losing the "take a chance on a #1" option, and now must "take a chance on a proven player".

 

they haven't lost the salary cap slot. that #1 pick is being replaced by a free agent. they still get a player to fill that salary cap slot. i call that a wash (no pun intended).

Papazoid, as I've already stated in this thread I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea for a team to bundle high picks to land what they believe is a franchise QB.

 

But as I said before if that team is missing only a piece or two then it's infinitely more justifiable than for a team like the Redskins who have holes up and down their roster.

 

Cam Newton got his team four wins last year in spite of playing brilliantly. Luckily for Carolina, they didn't give up a bunch of high picks for the right to draft him and will still be able to build a team around Newton.

 

Compared to the Panthers it WILL be more difficult for the Redskins to build a team around the quarterback… your free agent argument makes some assumptions that you treat like givens when they are not.

 

Firstly in any given year, you might have a weak free agent class.

 

Secondly your team needs might not mesh with that year's free agent class.

 

Thirdly if you build a roster in free agency you're a) going to occasionally be outbid for a player AND b) when you do get him, you'll be paying top dollar.

 

This doesn't mean that George Allen/Mike Shanahan can't build a team around RGIII but it does make it more difficult.

 

 

The argument that giving up 2 number one picks and a number 2 pick isn't a handicap in team building is absurd.

 

It is an obstacle.

 

With good management and good luck it can be overcome but it is an obstacle.

[Rob's House]

Now that the redskins are 2nd in the draft, they can get a franchise QB (RG3). RG3 is a fast,strong QB, and that is what the redskins need. The redskins got Gaffney as a WR and he is a WR that RG3 will love, they also got Chris Cooley as a TE and he will be another great Blocker\receiver that RG3 will like. I say if they some more good players in the draft they will surprise a lot of teams. LIKE THE BILLS!!

Cooley's likely out this off-season and Gaffney is a solid but not spectacular 2-3 WR option. That said, Fred Davis is one of the better pass catching TEs in the game and they could still land a premier WR in FA. If not they better cross their fingers and hope they hit gold with a mid-round WR, otherwise it could be a long season for the rookie QB.

[CosmicBills]

lol, you kidding me?

 

im sorry, but no way no how does this look like the quarterback thats going to lead the bills to the promise land a handful of times for the next decade.

 

bu bu bu but hes the next cam newton! (career 6-10 record, 0 playoff wins)

bu bu bu but hes the next micheal vick! (2 career playoff wins, 1 year in prison)

bu but but, hes the next vince young! (0-1 in the playoffs, 0-1 in suicide attempts)

but but... YOURE RACIST!

 

look, enough of these "non-prototypical-are-they-going-to-run-or-pass?" quarterbacks. IT. DOESN'T. WORK.

 

lets go back in time and confirm that?

 

Superbowls

2012: Eli Manning (Pocket Passer) v. Tom Brady (Pocket Passer)

2011: Ben Rothlisberger (Pocket Passer) v. Aaron Rodgers (Pocket Passer)

2010: Drew Brees (Pocket Passer) v. Peyton Manning (Pocket Passer)

2009: Ben Rothlisberger (Pocket Passer) v. Kurt Warner (Pocket Passer)

2008: Eli Manning (Pocket Passer) v. Tom Brady (Pocket Passer)

2007: Peyton Manning (Pocket Passer) v. Rex Grosman (Pocket Passer)

2006: Ben Rotlisberger (Pocket Passer) v. Matt Hasselbeck (Pocket Passer)

2005: Tom Brady (Pocket Passer) v. Donovan Mcnabb (Maybe... MAYBE.. a mobile qb? Rushed for 0 yards in the Super bowl)

2004: Tom Brady (Pocket Passer) v. Jake Delhomme (Pocket Passer)

2003: Brad Johnson (Pocket Passer) v. Rich Gannon (Pocket Passer)

 

Additionally - it is RIDICULOUS that im reading on this board, of all boards, that cam newton has good numbers.

 

cam newton??

 

CAM NEWTON???

 

they finished 6-10!

 

fitz is a terrible quarterback because we finished 6-10.

cam is a great quarterback, even though he finished 6-10.

 

we should change the name of this board to thegrassisalwaysgreener.com

 

people in here saying things like "now THATS how you run a franchise" in speaking about the redskins???????

 

i feel like i woke up in bizarro world.

Not only an ignorant post, but a ridiculous one. The moment you label Aaron Rogers as a "pocket passer" is the moment you reveal yourself to be a fool. Try watching some football, then report back.

 

Next year, Matt Barkley. I would take him over RGIII and Luck if had a choice between the 3.

And now we know why H2o isn't a GM.

 

I hope Luck & RG3 both bust & are out of the league in 5 years.

Yeah, god forbid the NFL get a new crop of star QBs to carry the league for the next decade.

Edited March 11, 2012 by tgreg99
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[Rob's House]

Not only an ignorant post, but a ridiculous one. The moment you label Aaron Rogers as a "pocket passer" is the moment you Try watching some football, then report back.

I get that you might disagree with the dude's post but where do you get "ignorant"?

 

And don't say it's b/c he said Aaron Rogers is a pocket QB, whether or not you agree that's how most would classify him.

Yeah, god forbid the NFL get a new crop of star QBs to carry the league for the next decade.

I have no interest in seeing the Colts or Redskins succeed. Plus, even though I'd like the Bills to have either of them, I'd get some gratification in seeing all the fanboys served up with a plate of crow.

 

Also Irsay & Snyder deserve the disappointment.

[CosmicBills]

I get that you might disagree with the dude's post but where do you get "ignorant"?

 

And don't say it's b/c he said Aaron Rogers is a pocket QB, whether or not you agree that's how most would classify him.

 

I have no interest in seeing the Colts or Redskins succeed. Plus, even though I'd like the Bills to have either of them, I'd get some gratification in seeing all the fanboys served up with a plate of crow.

 

Also Irsay & Snyder deserve the disappointment.

No one classifies Rodgers as a pocket QB. He's mobile and athletic and throws more passes on the run, out of the pocket than he does inside it. It's what makes him good.

[Rob's House]

No one classifies Rodgers as a pocket QB. He's mobile and athletic and throws more passes on the run, out of the pocket than he does inside it. It's what makes him good.

Now you're just arguing semantics. He's not a pocket passer in the sense that Tom Brady is but he's still a pass first guy who surveys the field and uses his legs when the pass breaks down as opposed to when his first read is covered. I'm still curious what it was you found "ignorant", or was that it?