BillsfaninFl Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Recognizing the value of football players starts with hiring people at the top that have the knowledge required, then letting them have the authority to make the moves they feel are necessary to make the team a contender. Since that is against the Bills' organizational policies, the players drafted, brought in from free agency, overpaid or allowed to leave will always be poorly done because those two criteria are not important to Wilson and his representatives. The strongest evidence that the organization is either clueless about how to do it right, or doesn't want to, is Wilson's refusal to believe that the team should be run by elite football people. He has inadvertantly admitted that by some of the dumb things he has said over the years. Such as a few years back when he publicly stated that he believes getting the right players to win a championship is a matter of "luck." That's happened a couple of times in five decades but it may never happen again. We need an owner that will build an organization that appreciates the skills of top GMs and coaches, and makes hiring them the prelude to building a championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Recognizing the value of football players starts with hiring people at the top that have the knowledge required, then letting them have the authority to make the moves they feel are necessary to make the team a contender. Since that is against the Bills' organizational policies, the players drafted, brought in from free agency, overpaid or allowed to leave will always be poorly done because those two criteria are not important to Wilson and his representatives. The strongest evidence that the organization is either clueless about how to do it right, or doesn't want to, is Wilson's refusal to believe that the team should be run by elite football people. He has inadvertantly admitted that by some of the dumb things he has said over the years. Such as a few years back when he publicly stated that he believes getting the right players to win a championship is a matter of "luck." That's happened a couple of times in five decades but it may never happen again. We need an owner that will build an organization that appreciates the skills of top GMs and coaches, and makes hiring them the prelude to building a championship team. i think Nix is the right guy to judge talent. in two drafts the only pick i dont like is Troup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I don't think KC's contract with Routt is an example of spending "good" money. It's spending money, sure. The fact remains, however, that the player had a bunch of question marks, notably, his ability to adjust to the new NFL rules (the reason for so many penalties last year) and relearning how to play CB from what made him previously successful that really made an investment in him risky. I am in the minority here probably but I am glad that the Bills did not win the Routt sweepstakes based on those contract numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I don't think KC's contract with Routt is an example of spending "good" money. It's spending money, sure. The fact remains, however, that the player had a bunch of question marks, notably, his ability to adjust to the new NFL rules (the reason for so many penalties last year) and relearning how to play CB from what made him previously successful that really made an investment in him risky. I am in the minority here probably but I am glad that the Bills did not win the Routt sweepstakes based on those contract numbers. Im with you. He's not better than Florence, and doesnt deserve that much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'd rather spend money on Brandon Carr, Terrell Thomas, or Brent Grimes if we are serious about adding a free agent CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I don't think KC's contract with Routt is an example of spending "good" money. It's spending money, sure. The fact remains, however, that the player had a bunch of question marks, notably, his ability to adjust to the new NFL rules (the reason for so many penalties last year) and relearning how to play CB from what made him previously successful that really made an investment in him risky. I am in the minority here probably but I am glad that the Bills did not win the Routt sweepstakes based on those contract numbers. That's fine, although Pioli has a much better record than Nix when it comes to talent evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I don't think KC's contract with Routt is an example of spending "good" money. It's spending money, sure. The fact remains, however, that the player had a bunch of question marks, notably, his ability to adjust to the new NFL rules (the reason for so many penalties last year) and relearning how to play CB from what made him previously successful that really made an investment in him risky. I am in the minority here probably but I am glad that the Bills did not win the Routt sweepstakes based on those contract numbers. Now that the deal has been done and we can see the dollars, i agree completely. Being as desperate as i am for bringing in talent i will now consider this a wise move on our part. So how much is Carr asking? Is this a player worth paying high dollar for? for us? right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Carr is way too pricey. That money would be better spent elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I know this is likely not a choice the Bills have or are going to make, but consider this: what if they gave money to Routt that prohibited them from getting Mario Williams? I hate the idea of early CB picks, but if they find a very good one in round 2, given the new draft salary cap, I am more than happy to see that happen given what we're contending with in the AFC East and a passing league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 this might be a good year "ugh" to draft cb high for us. this pains me to say. just not comfy with pass rushers at 10 this year. wish we could/would trade down and gather up 2nds and 3rds. and 4ths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) That's fine, although Pioli has a much better record than Nix when it comes to talent evaluation. What empirical evidence supports this statement? Personnel on a roster, as well as team record, is the end result of a complex combination of so many variables (available talent, cap room (in past years), roster holes/strengths at any given time, personnel/strengths of divisional opponents, offensive and defensive schemes employed, coaches' preferences, quality of scouting, and on and on) that I'd argue you need to be in the room for every discussion to be able to judge the quality of a GM's evaluation skills. To my knowledge, we don't have any posters in the room. Edited February 20, 2012 by BillnutinHouston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I think we are all going to be surprised with the amount of money some free agents are going to receive this year. There are teams with a ton of cap space, and they are going to spend silly. You may think that KC overpaid for Routt, but we should wait to make that judgment until the free agency period is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eme123 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I see the fact that KC paid so much money for Routt a sign that the Bills plan to be more aggressive in free agency this off season. KC must have had the price bid up from somewhere. The Bills were the first team to show interest in him. Routt said really good things about Buffalo and seemed excited at the thought of coming here. I wouldn't doubt that the Bills were willing to overpay him a little but set a limit. Im glad to see they didn't cross their limit. In my mind being more aggressive in free agency isn't normally such a good thing. Most of the time all thats available is krap. There seems to be some interesting opportunities this year but for the right price. Build through the draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 i think Nix is the right guy to judge talent. in two drafts the only pick i dont like is Troup. Hard to predict if a guy gets injured. there was nothing in his pre draft to even suggest that would happen. The kid is simply huge btw. The other player at that spot was Terrance Cody who had serious concerns about his conditioning pre draft. I think Buddy made the right call between those two players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I see the fact that KC paid so much money for Routt a sign that the Bills plan to be more aggressive in free agency this off season. KC must have had the price bid up from somewhere. The Bills were the first team to show interest in him. Routt said really good things about Buffalo and seemed excited at the thought of coming here. I wouldn't doubt that the Bills were willing to overpay him a little but set a limit. Im glad to see they didn't cross their limit. In my mind being more aggressive in free agency isn't normally such a good thing. Most of the time all thats available is krap. There seems to be some interesting opportunities this year but for the right price. Build through the draft! Although the Bills may have been the first team that Routt visited with, an article from this afternoon on ESPN.com says that the Titans and the Vikings were among the other teams considering Routt besides the Chiefs. They don't even mention the Bills. Sure Routt said some nice things about the Bills, which you would expect a free agent visitor to do, but I doubt the Bills were the reason KC had to spend "so much." Unfortunately, as usual, I wouldn't expect the Bills to be major players in Free Agency this year. Edited February 21, 2012 by Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I am in the minority here probably but I am glad that the Bills did not win the Routt sweepstakes based on those contract numbers. Actually you're in the majority. Since the "disclosure of terms" on Routt's new deal with Kansas City, not one single poster has said that the Bills should have signed him for that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Actually you're in the majority. Since the "disclosure of terms" on Routt's new deal with Kansas City, not one single poster has said that the Bills should have signed him for that amount. I won't argue but I probably wouldn't have been terribly upset either if we signed him at those terms. I think he's better than last years showing. I would've preferred closer to 3 for 15 ultimately a reliable clear cut starter on the market for just about any position seems to be creeping past that 5m mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 It is almost impossible to know how good any defensive back is without a decent pass rush, and almost any spending on any CB without having a pass rush doesn't help your team much, because without a pass rush, great CBs are turned into pretty good ones and damn good ones are turned into crappy ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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