\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey: 3-hour meeting this morning with Edwards prior to firing: http://wgr550.com/Bills-Fire-George-Edwards--Wannstedt-Named-New-DC/11878652 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey: 3-hour meeting this morning with Edwards prior to firing: http://wgr550.com/Bills-Fire-George-Edwards--Wannstedt-Named-New-DC/11878652 Where did they get the picture though? Kind of odd that they would allow pictures to be taken at the meeting. I guess the Bills are instituting an open-door meeting policy to help appease the fans. Not sure if it will work or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey: 3-hour meeting this morning with Edwards prior to firing: http://wgr550.com/Bills-Fire-George-Edwards--Wannstedt-Named-New-DC/11878652 Looks like a brutal meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 So far, Buddy's acquired Troup, Carrington, Moats, Batten, Sheppard, and Chris White in the draft for our front 7. Can anyone tell me who wouldn't fit in a 4-3? I honestly don't know how to call it for LBs; I have a sense that Troup is really a fairly pure NT, but he wouldn't start for us in a 3-4 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey: 3-hour meeting this morning with Edwards prior to firing: http://wgr550.com/Bills-Fire-George-Edwards--Wannstedt-Named-New-DC/11878652 I hate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 To me, this means a few things, all of which are conjecture... 1] It likely means Gailey knew Edwards wasn't equipped for the job or wasn't good enough awhile ago. Once that became clear it is always too late, and it doesnt do any good to fire a coordinator in the middle of the year. It rarely works and especially on this team, would not have mattered much, although I think Wanny would have done a better job. We wouldn't have made the playoffs. By doing it early today, it was quick and decisive and we didn't get any month long evaluation. I thought he was gone but I was pleasantly surprised that it was so immediate. It's possible that Buddy or Ralph chipped in and said make the move, but I think Chan would have anyway. It was obvious. 2] I think Wanny, because of his entire history, every single thing he said, everything the players said and Gailey said and everything I saw and heard, intentionally didn't want to step on Edwards toes and didn't. Edwards ran the show. I think Wanny helped on game planning on both offense and defense. But Edwards called all the defenses and game calls. Sometimes it it really just a matter of knowing what to call and when, having a feel for the game and your opponent, being able to think calmly and clearly under pressure, and having the knack and the luck for making the right call at the right time that determines whether your defense is good or bad. Edwards clearly was not good at that. Wanny has proved he could do that as a DC. I think it was the right call to get him in and let him run the show. 3] What needs to be determined is whether they play 3-4, 4-3 or a hybrid. Wanny is and always has been a 4-3 guy but he knows the 3-4 inside out too because he is a veteran defensive coach. We have drafted for 3-4 for two years. Barnett and Shep are better suited to 3-4. Dwan Edwards and carrington are. The Bills fully expect Merriman back at 100% and he is (although I also fully expect an OLB beast LB chosen #1 or #2 and/or a FA starter signed at OLB). Kyle Williams and Dareus can play either. To me, I think they stick with a hybrid going into this year, and draft for the 3-4 unless there is some stud LB available that only can play in a 4-3 which is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey: 3-hour meeting this morning with Edwards prior to firing: http://wgr550.com/Bills-Fire-George-Edwards--Wannstedt-Named-New-DC/11878652 Since when were you invited since your picture is there? Did Ralph send the plain for you or did you fly up yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Back to the 4-3? I hope not. The 3-4 switch hasn't worked out, but its largely because they haven't invested anything at OLB. Fix that and I think this D will improve significantly. The 4-3 still has the same basic problem, lack of a pass rush, but I think its easier to find that with a 3-4 OLB than with a 4-3 DE. I don't think it'll help matters against the run, either. Oh well. As for Edwards, good riddance, I suppose. Someone had to go, although I'd have preferred that they shop around a bit before just promoting the Wannstache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Super Bowl here we come!!!!!! One again putting the cart before the horses......maybe thats why your constantly disappointed, you don't let anything take the time to build. It's a solid move to an experienced defensive coach, getting our best players back on offense and defense and a weak schedule- things are looking upward - sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Buddy says they are a 3-4 team expect more dysfunction as they keep the 3-4 and hire Wanny as a 4-3 coach to run it Buddy has been drafting for a 3-4 since he got here - why would he change now? One would think he would have (or already did) consulted with Wannstedt prior to this decision. I'd be asking him questions like "Do we have the personnel to run your defense? If not, what do we need to do?" What I hope is that Wannstedt isn't going to go with a 4-3 just because that's "his system". Good coaches develop a system based on the players they have. I'd think Wannstedt either already knows what to do with the personnel in place or he tells Buddy to draft certain players to fit into what he wants to do. Either way, I like the move. The defense showed they were out-coached and out-classed all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Hiring in-house always saves money. Exactly! So when does Doug Whaley step up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 This was predictable. If Wanny has been involved in the D planning this year, then I am concerned. At least he is familiar with the personnel, which should help in figuring out needs and who should be playing going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 To me, this means a few things, all of which are conjecture... 3] What needs to be determined is whether they play 3-4, 4-3 or a hybrid. Wanny is and always has been a 4-3 guy but he knows the 3-4 inside out too because he is a veteran defensive coach. We have drafted for 3-4 for two years. Barnett and Shep are better suited to 3-4. Dwan Edwards and carrington are. The Bills fully expect Merriman back at 100% and he is (although I also fully expect an OLB beast LB chosen #1 or #2 and/or a FA starter signed at OLB). Kyle Williams and Dareus can play either. To me, I think they stick with a hybrid going into this year, and draft for the 3-4 unless there is some stud LB available that only can play in a 4-3 which is unlikely. So. Stay with the 3-4 that has worked so well? 2010 Buffalo D points/game 28th in league. 2011 Buffalo D points/game 30th in league. They actually got worse after 2 years in the 3-4 and drafting for it. Note: If the Bills really think that Merriamn returns and again count on that, then I have no hope for the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 One again putting the cart before the horses......maybe thats why your constantly disappointed, you don't let anything take the time to build. It's a solid move to an experienced defensive coach, getting our best players back on offense and defense and a weak schedule- things are looking upward - sorry I forgot, you're the guy who wants the 4 year rebuild. The 49ers and Bengals don't think it takes that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 One would think he would have (or already did) consulted with Wannstedt prior to this decision. I'd be asking him questions like "Do we have the personnel to run your defense? If not, what do we need to do?" What I hope is that Wannstedt isn't going to go with a 4-3 just because that's "his system". Good coaches develop a system based on the players they have. I'd think Wannstedt either already knows what to do with the personnel in place or he tells Buddy to draft certain players to fit into what he wants to do. Either way, I like the move. The defense showed they were out-coached and out-classed all year. Gailey said they are going to evaluate the players, and decide if going to a 4-3 might make sense. Sounds like a totally reasonable evaluation and approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 So. Stay with the 3-4 that has worked so well? 2010 Buffalo D points/game 28th in league. 2011 Buffalo D points/game 30th in league. They actually got worse after 2 years in the 3-4 and drafting for it. Note: If the Bills really think that Merriamn returns and again count on that, then I have no hope for the organization. So your solution is to go into 2012 in a 4-3? We would have no DEs unless you count Chris Kelsay, who is decent. We would have ZERO linebackers that can play the position. None. Barnett would be forced to play outside where he is not as good. Shep would get murdered if he played like he did this year, he had a lot of trouble shedding blocks and moving quickly to the ball at the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 So your solution is to go into 2012 in a 4-3? We would have no DEs unless you count Chris Kelsay, who is decent. We would have ZERO linebackers that can play the position. None. Barnett would be forced to play outside where he is not as good. Shep would get murdered if he played like he did this year, he had a lot of trouble shedding blocks and moving quickly to the ball at the LOS. You may have a point, but where are people lining up in the hybrid? How is that much different than a full-fledged 4-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I forgot, you're the guy who wants the 4 year rebuild. The 49ers and Bengals don't think it takes that long. The niners have been rebuilding for nearly a decade. They have much more talent then us going into this year. When a good coach puts San Diego in the playoffs will we hear about there one year turnaround? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I forgot, you're the guy who wants the 4 year rebuild. The 49ers and Bengals don't think it takes that long. Not that I disagree with your general statement but those weren't the best examples. The Bengles have 3 winning seasons (including this one) in the past 20 years - not exactly known for the "quick fix." The 49ers aren't much better as this is there first winning season in 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I forgot, you're the guy who wants the 4 year rebuild. The 49ers and Bengals don't think it takes that long. You are right, they would say it takes a lot longer than 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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