John Cocktosten Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Oh shut up you idiot. What are you, 16? Nix just got here, inheriting 6-7 years of horrible, devastatingly ****ty drafting. The place was a empty house, talent-wise. It was barely an expansion team (but you're either too young or lame to remember those). No team in NFL history has come close to the Super Bowl in 30 years by going crazy in free agency. You do it through the draft and Nix probably drafted 4 starters this year at least (Hairston, Dareus, Williams and Sheppard.. and maybe Searcy).. this will take years to turn around. The AFC is weak but the Bills were bubble boy weak.. Anyone calling for Nix and Gailey to go just stay off the boards .. just go away . This is Buffalo your talking about. The entire staff will be blown up as soon as a new owner shows up, so you will get your wish eventually. Lets just stick with these guys until Ralph passes. No more revolving doors pls on OBD. Go look and see how many FA's were on those Patriots teams that won 3 out of 4 SBs. Antwan Smith RB, Wiggins TE, M. Copmton OG, B Hamilton DE, A. Pleasnt DE, Vrabel, LB Bryan Cox LB, Roman Phipher LB, T Buckley CB were all Free agents who started in '01. Not to mention that Moss and Welker were FA as well. I noiced that you didn't mention Nix's first daft. I guess you're giving him a mulligan. Edited November 24, 2011 by John Cocktosten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JTO Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I agree. I hope that we land Landry Jones and then the best Pass Rusher available. If brad Smiths contract isn't guaranteed along with Kelsay then I would cut them. Same goes for Thigpen. That is freed up money that we can utilize on free agents that can make an impact. By the way, I'm not given up on Merriman. He finally got that surgery that was 2 years overdue. As for Fred I would not pay him more than 5 million a year if Spiller arrives. We can draft a RB with same qualities as Fred but better burst. Fred purely cannot run that fast. I laugh when he has that opening but always has at least 3 defenders behind him. Didn't Dallas draft their RB late in the 3rd? That boys a beast. Finally - lets push hard for Carolinas Steve Smith. Edited November 24, 2011 by JTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Can't read that, don't understand why you would think not to split it up a bit. I started but my head hurt 3 lines in. Sorry I do come here to read ppls opinions. Please use the return key and when you are finished with one train of thought make a new paragraph. BTW I could give a **** about your wedding and 1/2 a million dollars, please go back to not posting. Or keep it about the Bills. Edited November 24, 2011 by bowery4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Welcome to TBD:thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Can't read that, don't understand why you would think not to split it up a bit. I started but my head hurt 3 lines in. Sorry you at least need to hang on until the gang bang section. the stream of consciousness there makes "the sound and the fury" look like a big pile of puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 firstly, i'd like to wish all you fellow Bills fans a happy turkey day and looking forward to a great slate of games on thanksgiving.. i dont remember the last times 2/3 games actually being the marquee games of the week! i live in boca raton fla and have been reading this page for years but never posted cuz i know i will be completely addicted!! but i had to post this.. im 31 and havent missed 1 game in 20 years.. for my wedding that my in laws dropped 200k on my ONLY request for the wedding as it being a jewish wedding and we have weddings on sunday, was having it start at 5pm and they make sure the bar in hotel in palm beach PLAYED that game.. i still remember what a debacle it was.. october 22nd 2006 and losman just gets destroyed vs pats.. maybe i should have realized that was a sign to not get married cuz i got divorced a yr later after she stole a half a milion dollars from me ! lol ok now to business.... say what u want about gailey, but look at whats he TRULY got on O... a "journeyman QB" who has only made headlines cuz for the first 6 games gailey was able to MAKE him a pro bowl QB.. those 2-5 yard passes and all those screens to jackson worked cuz teams respectful us on O even though he had the SAME lack of a deep game we have now.. jones' hands are awful and doesnt have the skill to win jump balls or true blazing speed to just outrun a 1-1 coverage down field... we have no weapons... gailey's offensive schemes are really based on getting guys into one of matchups and getting it to guy in space.. teams know fitz is "Smart" as mentioned 10 times on every telecast but he is high, or low far too often and cant sustain drives cuz he misses the one key pass more than he makes it.. gaileys O maintally is a finesse speed based system.. it can only work with a legit downfield threat and losing evans was huge... say what u want about the guy, lost a step with i agree with, but the guy has enough career bomb catches for teams to have to account for him.. decoy or not, the threat was there... it keeps a D honest... it was only a matter of time b4 teams learned how to stop us.. dont give us space cuz fitz comp% was only high at start cuz of mostly short throws... i wish more than anything gailey had the right TOOLS as in playmakers to make it work, but as a coach on a "cheap" team, u can only do so much with what u got.. not to mention gailey being able to hide our problems on oline with all those 1 second throws.. teams know how to stop this and KNOW we cant beat them down the field.. on to nix... KNOWING the coach u hired.. play to his strengths.. hes a creative offensive mind that has been able to make unorthodox QB's successful.. give this guy a REAL qb who is mobile... i wanted Cam so damn bad cuz u give gailey a toy like cam he would make it work... we all know Edwards needs to go and we have his replacement on staff so at least ralph can get away cheap on that one and have a the statche be in control of D and linebackers rather than having 2 seperate coaches! i think if they can get the right system QB from college in rounds 2-3 , and have him sit behind fitz for a yr or 2 cuz fitz is essentially an offensive co-ordinator cuz he has zero talent and makes plays cuz he knows how to read defenses. get him a kid like keenum who doesnt fit a "true" base offense.. we pretty much play a college spread type offense.. why not get a kid that posted madden type numbers in that offense.. we need a deep threat more than anything... get the best damn wideout we can in 1st or 2nd.. there are a lot of Wr's this yr and spend "f"ing money on D.. much easier to make an offense work with young fast players and a veteran D... sign free agents BUDDY BOY on D... we need real D players and we have a few, and a few god young ones in shepp and dareus and williams who are guys that can be assets to us long term... rookie CB;s tend to struggle, even peterson who was considered to possibly be #1 overall is getting picked on regularly and been making most of his noise of sp. teams.. i think nix should take a long nap on draft day and let the stache and gailey pick their own toys cuz they are the ones that have to use them... nix should focus of free agency and get us another olinemen, some depth and either a real WR via free agency or draft... im actually happy to finally see what Spiller can do.. at least he will now be given a real shot at showing if hes a bust or not and has more than a game to do so... its gonna be him the rest of the way and i think deep down, he "suits" gailey's offense better cuz with fitz, we know we are gonna have more 3-outs than most teams, hopefully spiller has learned from freddy how to pick holes cuz talent wise , he blows him away but jackson is all heart and runs with anger... watching spiller get stuffed at the goaline last week was purely a lack of heart... that hole they gave him was larger than Kim Kardashian's hole after getting gang banged by every nfl'er and nba'er out there! he saw the hole and was "walking" in then at last second he spotted a guy and realized he'd have to actually try and get in and couldnt get that push that jackson would have been able to punch in.. now that he;s feature back and knows O will be based around him, cuz they pretty much have no choice cuz next thing u know buddy nix is gonna have to lineup at WR due to all injuries there.. this kid is lightning, i saw almost every clemson game yr better and thought he was the next chris johnson but one thing a RB needs that i hope spiller has cuz johnson surely doesnt is HEART... he has shown very little heart in past yr and half but its gotta be frustrating getting picked top 10, 1st RB and not being able to play... this guys are all premadonnas, we know that and freddy just outworks every body... i wish u could put freddy's heart inwith spiller talent or even fitz brain in jp losman body! we have had 2 VERY talented qb's here but the problem was all they had was talent.. JP and rob Johnson.. u watch those guys warm up b4 games, they way they trow the ball is a thing of beauty.. but when they have a D in front of them trying to kill them, they get lost.. fitzy doesnt get lost.. he just cant make the big plays purely of talent cuz he just doesnt have tools... im excited to see CJ get the ball around 25 times this week and from here on out cuz im sure he can produce. some on those jackson runs when he finds a crease, and gets to 2nd level, Cj will break for td';s cuz of his speed not 20-30 yarders like freddy.. im just hoping hes learned enough by sitting on bench watching freddy and taking notes! Anyways, ive rambled enough! hopefully team will do right things (doubt it) in off season cuz we need some legit speed on O and vets on D.. you lost me at "firstly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Welcome. I wondered why you posted this immediately above a post on the same topic. However, I agree with what you say for the most part. I'm sticking with Nix b/c of his success with players like Stevie, like Urbik, in late rounds and FA. According to ProFootballFocus.com, the Bills' offense remains in 5th place overall, so I'm keeping the offensive coaches and Gailey. I'm getting a new trainer (hamstring injuries shouldn't happen), I'm getting a RT out of this draft (Datko? Marcel Jones? Ricky Wagner? Kelechi Osemele?) and getting Woods and Bell healthy for OC and LT (Bell graded out higher than D'Brick or Jake Long but had 1/2 the snaps). Urbik would play RG and Levitre slides back to LG. The original line graded out Get one more WR in the draft, and make sure he can block downfield. I may not pay Jackson, but it would be a classy move. I like your idea about bringing in a Gailey-style spread QB; Case Keenum is excellent in the spread, but only weighs 210. I'd take Robert Griffin, whose brains and athleticism fit Chan's system, but if we want pass rush in the draft, don't count on a QB pick who's ready for the NFL (still could be a FA--Brees may test the waters). On the defense, we're missing Kyle Williams. Carrington will be a beast with Kyle back in there. We need 1-2 OLB34's early in the draft (Upshaw? Mercilus? Bruce Irvin? Jenkins?) and/or in FA (Jon Beason? Mario Williams?) who can rush the passer. Plays are being made in the middle against us b/c we're using too many players to hurry the QB, and b/c Shep/Batten/Moats/Carrington/Searcy are learning (Searcy is PFF's #1 defender in pass coverage over the middle). Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. This is still a 3 year plan that's acquiring pieces to the puzzle. Our strongest spot on defense is safety. Searcy, Barnett, Scott, Sheppard, and Moats are #1-#5 overall on PFF's grading system. Spencer Johnson has been our most consistent DE (Dareus is still learning and played DT which affected his numbers). Worst on the same list are Kelsay and Edwards, so don't be surprised if a FA (Robert Mathis?) and a drafted DE (Kendall Reyes in RD2, Billy Winn RD2-3, Trevor Guyton RD2) are brought in for next year. Edited November 24, 2011 by Astrobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert cohen Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 if CJ does well, let freddy walk.. CJ "fits" bills O better if he's real deal... now we have a chance to see if he is real deal or not.. if not we pay big bucks to keep jackson, if he is , we wont need to pay jackson and have him as trade bait cuz he is still young enough to take a team missing a legit tailback.. we should re sign stevie, even though hes not a true #1 but can be a top flight 2. why not sign another top flight 2 WR.. id rather have that than 1 stud WR that teams have to double team all day and have no else else to throw to. Nelson has proven hes a great slot guy but nothing more... still, a great pick up as un drafted rookie! imagine stevie, another solid 2 WR and nelson , not to mention chandler who really impressed me last game with his hands.. the guy needs to the ball , but 10 yards down field.. hes 2 slow to get extra yards but a huge redzone target and should break season record for us for a TE. and either spiller or jackson, cant afford both if spiller shines and if he doesnt , we spend on freddie. freddy wont be cheap.. if spiller proves to be worth the 1st round pick, even a 2nd for that matter he suits gaileys offense just as well. we spend the money we save on him and spend the 7-8 million freddy will cost us on a stud WR. ive never seen a team lack a big play threat than us. we shouldnt make the same mistake and pay jackson now, as the right business decision for the franchise.. see how spiller does cuz im fine with fitz for next yr or 2, but hes not the answer. hes a solid stop gap and can keep us a 500. team till we draft a true QB. draft a keenum type QB who we wont be pressured to throw in mix for yr or 2 unlike a 1st round QB who once u start losing they wanna see him.. this yrs crop of QB's is soooo deep. outside of cam, top 5 qb's this yr and better than the other 1st rounders.. and to other guy: sorry, i was trying joking around about how much i wanted to see game and they had to pay off hotel bar to play a bills game rather than "game of day".. it was meant to be a joke, didnt mean to offend u about the dollar figure and ur right i will keep it just to football. btw: if anyone in s. fla needs a place to see the game, any bills fan is welcome at my pad in boca raton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 if CJ does well, let freddy walk.. CJ "fits" bills O better if he's real deal... now we have a chance to see if he is real deal or not.. I don't think we will see if Spiller is the real deal until he has a line blocking for him. Nobody is in their natural position that made Jackson #2 in rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdogtim Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 No thanks. I will keep the member I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Cliff notes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Thanks for the props! I was beginning to think that all my posts were being blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Any pictures of the X wife?? :devil: Welcome Some tomes short is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Any pictures of the X wife?? :devil: Welcome Some tomes short is better. Can't believe you forgot to tell him to send you wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Robert, join us at Miller's Jupiter Ale House in Jupiter, FL sometime for a game. Lots of Bills Backers there. BTW it's probably best to post from a computer, not a smart phone. Us old timers still rely on paragraphs and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert cohen Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Can't believe you forgot to tell him to send you wine. lol only pics that would not be very appropriate to post ya and i do everything from my ipad or smartphone.. i live on that thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Welcome to the board ... Happy posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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