Billsguy Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This NEEDS to happen. Wannstedt is a fantastic D coordinator. I don't care if he runs a 4-3, as long as it works and actually stops the running game and generates some sacks I'm on board. The 4-3 couldn't be any worse than the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This makes zero sense, and I call shenanigans. Wannstedt is strictly a 4-3 guy. At Coach Gailey's season ending press conference, he was quite clear that he viewed the Bills as a multiple front defensive team. I'm amazed that so many fans are hung up on what scheme the Bills are going to run and what players they're going to draft to fit into specific schemes. I'm just as amazed that so few fans know what the Bills Head Coach said about what defensive fronts they plan on employing. I repeat: Gailey said the Bills are a multiple front team. A guy with the experience of DW is not coming to Buffalo to be a linebackers coach. I agree with this take. Whatever you think of Dave Pornstache, he has enough stature that I doubt he would come here to become a position coach. I was just thinking, if we were interested in bringing in another D-coordinator, and Wanny took a job elsewhere, who else might be a really drastic upgrage, and would be out there for hire? Any of these names sound appealing/probable? Rob Ryan/Eric Mangini (Mangini having, perhaps, the best know-how on how to beat Bellicheck, and Rob Ryan maybe better able to handle the Jets than a lot of others...), John Fox - should he wish to become a coordinator again, Mike Singletary? Tom Cable... I mean, there's really no connection there, but the point is, there are guys out there who could bring credibility to our Defense, if that is what our staff would like to add, and Wannstedt isn't the only option... but, he'd sure be a nice fit. As we've beaten to death, Singletary was never a D-coordinator…only a linebackers coach. Tom Cable was an offensive line coach. I do like your suggestions about Eric Mangini and Rob Ryan. I would be excited if the Bills wished to speak with either of them…as I am that they have an interest in Pornstache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 FWIW - If early reports by ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen are accurate, former Miami Dolphins and Chicago Bears coach Dave Wannstedt could be returning to the AFC East on the same staff as Buffalo Bills coach Chan Gailey, only this time Wannstedt will be the assistant and Gailey will be the man in charge. Link - Dave Wannstedt and Chan Gailey May Reunite in Buffalo From local TV reports, sounds like DW would be ass't HC running the D, similar to the role DW had in Miami under JJ, and much like Dick LeBeau's Buffalo role under Jauron. (Gailey was Wannstadt's OC in Miami.) (BTW - if this does happen, I would look for the Bills to draft injured Pitt DE Greg Romeus in the late rounds. Romeus is a favorite of Wannstadt, and was projected as a round one pick before tearing his ACL.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 FWIW - If early reports by ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen are accurate, former Miami Dolphins and Chicago Bears coach Dave Wannstedt could be returning to the AFC East on the same staff as Buffalo Bills coach Chan Gailey, only this time Wannstedt will be the assistant and Gailey will be the man in charge. Link - Dave Wannstedt and Chan Gailey May Reunite in Buffalo From local TV reports, sounds like DW would be ass't HC running the D, similar to the role DW had in Miami under JJ, and much like Dick LeBeau's Buffalo role under Jauron. (Gailey was Wannstadt's OC in Miami.) (BTW - if this does happen, I would look for the Bills to draft injured Pitt DE Greg Romeus in the late rounds. Romeus is a favorite of Wannstadt, and was projected as a round one pick before tearing his ACL.) interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan in n.h Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 i didnt know dave w. was a defensive guy. i thought he was a flop from the dolphins as h.c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 George Edwards is in over his head. I don't trust his ability to properly scheme for an opponent at all. I'd love to see a guy like Wanny in here. Wannstedt has not shown me much to get excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I would assume DC which I would love over our own schmuck Move our schmuck to LB coach where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasty Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This makes zero sense, and I call shenanigans. Wannstedt is strictly a 4-3 guy. Our D line could be pretty nasty with Kelsey Fairly Williams and Edwards might even give Maybin another chance, but I don't see this happening we are truely in the transition to the 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This makes zero sense, and I call shenanigans. Wannstedt is strictly a 4-3 guy. Well that's perfect then seeing as the Bills have the personnel to run a 4-3 and not the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Our D line could be pretty nasty with Kelsey Fairly Williams and Edwards might even give Maybin another chance, but I don't see this happening we are truely in the transition to the 3-4 That's not what Chan says.. The new catch word is 'Hybrid'. 4-3, 3-4, 5-2 whatever the down, distance and tendencies dictate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailar Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 A serious question for you all. Even before this came up when Chan mentioned running multiple schemes I wondered whether that's a viable prospect long term or whether it was simply a way of transitioning from the 4-3 to the 3-4. So I guess my question for you guys is, is it possible to run both 3-4 and 4-3 on a permanent basis with positive results seeing as some people are 3-4 guys and some are 4-3 guys? Would this mean most of the roster would be taken up by front 7 players so we have the different ones to run the schemes that suit them best? I hope I have explained myself clear enough, apologies if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven Moses Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Wanny has always been a solid defensive coach. He was Jimmy Johnsons D Coordinator during his run in Dallas. Huge upgrade over what we have. Edited January 12, 2011 by Haven Moses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) At Coach Gailey's season ending press conference, he was quite clear that he viewed the Bills as a multiple front defensive team. I'm amazed that so many fans are hung up on what scheme the Bills are going to run and what players they're going to draft to fit into specific schemes. I'm just as amazed that so few fans know what the Bills Head Coach said about what defensive fronts they plan on employing. I repeat: Gailey said the Bills are a multiple front team. When drafting a player at pick 3 or using free agent dollars wouldnt it be important then to find guys who can play in both fronts, not just one or the other, to maximize their utility? So if a guy like Bowers can only play when the team lines up 4-3 is that a wise pick? Edited January 12, 2011 by Ghost of Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Wannstedt has not shown me much to get excited about. Apparently you're too young to remember his days with pig faced satan in Dallas. Excellent DC (IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 When drafting a player at pick 3 or using free agent dollars wouldnt it be important then to find guys who can play in both fronts, not just one or the other, to maximize their utility? So if a guy like Bowers can only play when the team lines up 4-3 is that a wise pick? No, its important to find a player that can play great football period. If we draft Bowers and he's a superstar, it will improve the defense no matter what "scheme" we run. Not to mention that with all of the passing that goes on in the NFL today, you're playing a ton of different defensive looks regardless of whatever your base defense is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 No, its important to find a player that can play great football period. If we draft Bowers and he's a superstar, it will improve the defense no matter what "scheme" we run. Not to mention that with all of the passing that goes on in the NFL today, you're playing a ton of different defensive looks regardless of whatever your base defense is. I guess my point was that if he is not able to play OLB, and we run 3-4 33% of the time, then our best player that so much has been invested in is either not on the field 33% of the time or is not as effective. In other words, does saying we are a hybrid pigeon hole players just as much as saying we are strictly a 3-4 or 4-3, because now they have to find players that fit both schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Apparently you're too young to remember his days with pig faced satan in Dallas. Excellent DC (IMO). Wasn't it pork-faced satan? His defenses in Dallas were a huge part of the reason they went to those Superbowls. I don't know if he has a working relationship with Gailey, but I'd most certainly be ok with him as a DC. Wannstedt is an average HC, but a good DC. Edited January 12, 2011 by BuffaloWings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) RW doesn't have a reputation($$$) for allowing his head coaches to hire big name coordinators. I'd be surprised if Wannstedt ended up here. Most of Gailey's asst. coaches were probably brought on due to a lack of large coaching budget. Edited January 12, 2011 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 FWIW - If early reports by ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen are accurate, former Miami Dolphins and Chicago Bears coach Dave Wannstedt could be returning to the AFC East on the same staff as Buffalo Bills coach Chan Gailey, only this time Wannstedt will be the assistant and Gailey will be the man in charge. Link - Dave Wannstedt and Chan Gailey May Reunite in Buffalo From local TV reports, sounds like DW would be ass't HC running the D, similar to the role DW had in Miami under JJ, and much like Dick LeBeau's Buffalo role under Jauron. (Gailey was Wannstadt's OC in Miami.) (BTW - if this does happen, I would look for the Bills to draft injured Pitt DE Greg Romeus in the late rounds. Romeus is a favorite of Wannstadt, and was projected as a round one pick before tearing his ACL.) Nice. So essentially it would be similar to the current set-up w/ Modkins as the OC in name only. George Edwards would retain the title of DC but it would be DW doing most of the heavy lifting. I could certainly live with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I guess my point was that if he is not able to play OLB, and we run 3-4 33% of the time, then our best player that so much has been invested in is either not on the field 33% of the time or is not as effective. In other words, does saying we are a hybrid pigeon hole players just as much as saying we are strictly a 3-4 or 4-3, because now they have to find players that fit both schemes. I think Bowers is big enough to play a little DE in the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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