joejoebills Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) We get a stud on D and our QB of the future. Link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/562759-2011-nfl-mock-draft-complete-1st-and-2nd-round-pick-predictions#page/4 Edited January 5, 2011 by joejoebills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Locker has played himself out of the first two, possibly three rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 We get a stud on D and our QB of the future. Link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/562759-2011-nfl-mock-draft-complete-1st-and-2nd-round-pick-predictions#page/4 I wouldn't spend anything higher than a 4th on Locker. I'd be ticked if we used a 2nd on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoebills Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 I wouldn't spend anything higher than a 4th on Locker. I'd be ticked if we used a 2nd on him. Even with Chan Gailey as a mentor? Look what he with with Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beggar13 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) I just don't see any desirable QBs being around when we use our second pick. Too many teams need QBs. Not saying we need to draft one with the third pick overall, but I would like to see us draft the best defensive player and then trade up in the first to grab one of the 2nd tier QBs (Newton or Gabbert would be best case in that scenario). Let Fitz play and continue to play unless he gives Gailey a reason to start our new QB. 4 QBs gone in the first 10 pics Edited January 5, 2011 by beggar13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoebills Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 I just don't see any desirable QBs being around when we use our second pick. Too many teams need QBs. Not saying we need to draft one with the third pick overall, but I would like to see us draft the best defensive player and then trade up in the first to grab one of the 2nd tier QBs (Newton or Gabbert would be best case in that scenario). Let Fitz play and continue to play unless he gives Gailey a reason to start our new QB. I agree, would love to get Gabbert in the second round. Check out these highlights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW69HWngSdk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I think there are better options at qb then Locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 If Nix can score some decent FA talent for D then I don't have a problem with a QB in the 2nd-3rd round. But we HAVE TO improve on defense now. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'd prefer Newton and I think after the National Championship many others will be in love with him too. I wouldn't mind this draft, but I really want Newton. A Newton and Heyward draft might be better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'd prefer Newton and I think after the National Championship many others will be in love with him too. I wouldn't mind this draft, but I really want Newton. A Newton and Heyward draft might be better IMO. Newton and then Heyward would be the ideal top 2 picks for me. I just don't see Heyward being there for us in Rd2 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Locker = garbage. He is not going in the first 3 round now matter what Todd McShay says. He crumbles under pressure, and is only consistent at losing. (Then you hear, but the Washington team around him isn't very good. Then the question is why is Locker an exception to the other untalented players on that team.) Plus Bleacher Report is the E Entertainment of an already questionable field of Sports Reporting. Edited January 5, 2011 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I think Locker would be a reach at the top of the 2nd. I know that his team was bad around him, but he failed to elevate them at all and he was flat out horrible in some games. In two games against Nebraska (a regular season and a bowl game) he was a combined *get this* 9-36 1TD and 2INTs That is just BAD. Now, also let's put to rest his "great athleticism". Not that very many running QBs excel in the NFL, but Locker wasn't a great runner either - at least he didn't put up great rushing totals (except for a 110 yard game against a poor USC team). Cam Newton doesn't excite me much at the 3rd pick. He had a decent completion percentage, but he did most of his damage running - and that rarely translates to success in the NFL. I know that Mike Vick has had a very good year and he is a "runner", but he miraculously learned to be a good passer this year. Before Vick, the last really good "running" QB that I can remember having success in the NFL was Steve Young. Look at Vince Young. I am not saying that Newton will necessarily lack the leadership skills that Young is missing (though we don't know), but Young was also a GREAT runner in college and NFL teams have really stifled that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I wouldn't spend anything higher than a 4th on Locker. I'd be ticked if we used a 2nd on him. I just don't see any desirable QBs being around when we use our second pick. Agreed and Agreed. IF we are getting a QB this year, it should be a Blue Chip and will have to be at #3. If we dont pick a QB in the first, then we dont pick one at all. Unless Newton or Mallett slip to the 2nd round, but I doubt they last the top 15. Locker is garbage. The next Losman. At best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I agree, would love to get Gabbert in the second round. Check out these highlights. youtube.com/watch?v=XW69HWngSdk Uh, in the example mock, we passed up Fairley and Dareus for Gabbert. In Round 1. I'll take Gabbert in Round 2, but I want me some D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbelt City Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Gabbert has a rocket... but at #3 overall? Hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Newton and then Heyward would be the ideal top 2 picks for me. I just don't see Heyward being there for us in Rd2 though. couldnt agree anymore we have a high second we could probably trade back into the 1st with that and our first 4th round pick on the trade value chart its pretty even heywards projected around the 25-30 range I think hes a great fit for our d then again idk how bad we wanna give up a draft pick. I guess i didnt think about how bad i shouldve wanted seattle to lose in that game... damn and ps gabbert has bust written all over him. great physical specimine but looks like a white jamarcus russel newton luck or bust if its not one of those 2 or mallett for great value i dont want them then we go all defense oline depth and wideout. I dont get how draft experts have him above mallet sure he throws for 300 yds a game but hes attempting 50-60 passes.. hes not nor should he be our guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) I just don't see any desirable QBs being around when we use our second pick. Too many teams need QBs. Not saying we need to draft one with the third pick overall, but I would like to see us draft the best defensive player and then trade up in the first to grab one of the 2nd tier QBs (Newton or Gabbert would be best case in that scenario). Let Fitz play and continue to play unless he gives Gailey a reason to start our new QB. 4 QBs gone in the first 10 pics First, Newton is not a 2nd tier QB and will probably be gone in the top 10-15 if not earlier. Second, last time we traded back into the first to get the first 2nd tier QB, it ended up being JP Losman. If anything, we'd most likely have to do what the posters above suggested. Take a QB at #3, and then the best DL available when we trade back in. QB at #3 or none at all!! Edited January 5, 2011 by DrDankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I just don't see any desirable QBs being around when we use our second pick. Too many teams need QBs. Not saying we need to draft one with the third pick overall, but I would like to see us draft the best defensive player and then trade up in the first to grab one of the 2nd tier QBs (Newton or Gabbert would be best case in that scenario). Let Fitz play and continue to play unless he gives Gailey a reason to start our new QB. 4 QBs gone in the first 10 pics There are some serious reaches in that mock. I know that having a solid QB is important, but not so important as to pass up quality players at other positions, which we so desparately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 couldnt agree anymore we have a high second we could probably trade back into the 1st with that and our first 4th round pick on the trade value chart its pretty even heywards projected around the 25-30 range I think hes a great fit for our d then again idk how bad we wanna give up a draft pick. I guess i didnt think about how bad i shouldve wanted seattle to lose in that game... damn and ps gabbert has bust written all over him. great physical specimine but looks like a white jamarcus russel newton luck or bust if its not one of those 2 or mallett for great value i dont want them then we go all defense oline depth and wideout. I dont get how draft experts have him above mallet sure he throws for 300 yds a game but hes attempting 50-60 passes.. hes not nor should he be our guy How is Gabbert the white jamarcus russel? I think that sounds more like Mallet. Mallet has the biggest arm in the draft although Gabbert isn't far behind but its Mallet who tries to throw the ball as hard as he can on every throw....that sounds like Jamarcus. Also Mallet is just as big as Jamarcus and just as slow while Gabbert can make plays with his feet and will run somewhere in the 4.5 range at the combine. Not to mention the thing that made Jamarcus Russell the player he was was the fact he had the intelligence of bag of rocks and the motivation of stoner. I've def changed my mind after this year but....Luck is by far the best QB in this draft but Blaine Gabbert is the clear cut number 2. Newton is a project, Mallet is Drew Bledsoe v2.0 and Locker is just garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 qb at 3 or we trade down and pick up some picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agardin Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) How is Gabbert the white jamarcus russel? I think that sounds more like Mallet. Mallet has the biggest arm in the draft although Gabbert isn't far behind but its Mallet who tries to throw the ball as hard as he can on every throw....that sounds like Jamarcus. Also Mallet is just as big as Jamarcus and just as slow while Gabbert can make plays with his feet and will run somewhere in the 4.5 range at the combine. Not to mention the thing that made Jamarcus Russell the player he was was the fact he had the intelligence of bag of rocks and the motivation of stoner. I've def changed my mind after this year but....Luck is by far the best QB in this draft but Blaine Gabbert is the clear cut number 2. Newton is a project, Mallet is Drew Bledsoe v2.0 and Locker is just garbage. [/quote Interesting that you mentioned Bledsoe. I am not saying Mallett at 3 but if he turned out to have career like Bledsoe would that be a bad thing. Number 3 dr aft picks come with some pretty high expectations. I threw Jimbo's numbers as a point of comparison, I would take Kelly over Bledsoe any day but the number are fairly similar. New England Patriots (19932001) Buffalo Bills (20022004) Dallas Cowboys (20052006) Career highlights and awards 4× Pro Bowl selection (1994, 1996, 1997, 2002) Super Bowl champion (XXXVI) Second-team All-America (1992) 1992 Pac-10 Offensive Player of the Year Other Accomplishments Career NFL statistics as of 2006 TD-INT 251-206 Yards 44,611 QB Rating 77.1 College: University of Miami NFL Draft: 1983 / Round: 1 / Pick: 14 Debuted in 1986 for the Buffalo Bills Last played in 1996 for the Buffalo Bills Career history Houston Gamblers (USFL) (1984-1985) Buffalo Bills (1986-1996) Career highlights and awards 4× Pro Bowl selection (1987, 1990, 1991, 1992) 1× First-team All-Pro selection (1991) 2× Second-team All-Pro selection (1990, 1992) 2× USFL All-League Team (1984, 1985) 1984 USFL MVP 1984 USFL Rookie of the Year 1985 USFL Most Outstanding Quarterback USFL All-Time Team Bills Career Passing Yards Leader with 35,467 Buffalo Bills #12 Retired 84.4% QB Rating Edited January 6, 2011 by agardin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 How is Gabbert the white jamarcus russel? I think that sounds more like Mallet. Mallet has the biggest arm in the draft although Gabbert isn't far behind but its Mallet who tries to throw the ball as hard as he can on every throw....that sounds like Jamarcus. Also Mallet is just as big as Jamarcus and just as slow while Gabbert can make plays with his feet and will run somewhere in the 4.5 range at the combine. Not to mention the thing that made Jamarcus Russell the player he was was the fact he had the intelligence of bag of rocks and the motivation of stoner. I've def changed my mind after this year but....Luck is by far the best QB in this draft but Blaine Gabbert is the clear cut number 2. Newton is a project, Mallet is Drew Bledsoe v2.0 and Locker is just garbage. Is Mallet Jamarcus 2.0 or Bledsoe 2.0? Big effing difference. Honestly, Bledsoe in his prime was not a bad quarterback. Not a great one, but a good one. I've not seen Gabbert enough, but is there no Mizzou homerism in this one? I mean that you've probably seen him and rooted for him too much to hold an objective opinion - not that he is not good, per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Blizzard Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 If Nix can score some decent FA talent for D then I don't have a problem with a QB in the 2nd-3rd round. But we HAVE TO improve on defense now. PTR +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Gabbert is all hype. Gimme Enderle in the 3r or 4th, or Stanzi in the later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Doesn't it give eveyone pause to see that Locker is now being talked about as not even a tird round pick. he would have been in the discussion as first overall with Bradford had he come out last year. Brohm may have gone first overall and fell to the second round and probably out of the NFL. Is it hard to believe that Luck may be well lucky to be in a good system at Stanford against weak Pac10 defenses? I know everyone thinks the Bills need to take a shot at getting the franchise QB. But... KC made the playoffs drafting defense and by signing a FA QB who didn't even play in college. The Jets are SB contenders with arguably the second worst QB in the playoffs. I hope Denver passes on Peterson, we trade out of 3 to some team that wants him, pick up an extra second, and then go DE, LB, DT, followed by Locker in the top of the third round. Follow that up with a Center, one or two TE's(no slow white duses from the Big 12 please), and a couple more LB's. Of course who knows maybe the Bills make a big splash in early off-season...Maybe they switch back to the 4-3 and trade for Haynesworth(a huge chunk of his crazy salary has already been paid by the Redskins) to rotate with Williams and Troup. Carrington and Edwards can play DE along with a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Doesn't it give eveyone pause to see that Locker is now being talked about as not even a tird round pick. he would have been in the discussion as first overall with Bradford had he come out last year. Brohm may have gone first overall and fell to the second round and probably out of the NFL. Is it hard to believe that Luck may be well lucky to be in a good system at Stanford against weak Pac10 defenses? I know everyone thinks the Bills need to take a shot at getting the franchise QB. But... KC made the playoffs drafting defense and by signing a FA QB who didn't even play in college. The Jets are SB contenders with arguably the second worst QB in the playoffs. I hope Denver passes on Peterson, we trade out of 3 to some team that wants him, pick up an extra second, and then go DE, LB, DT, followed by Locker in the top of the third round. Follow that up with a Center, one or two TE's(no slow white duses from the Big 12 please), and a couple more LB's. Of course who knows maybe the Bills make a big splash in early off-season...Maybe they switch back to the 4-3 and trade for Haynesworth(a huge chunk of his crazy salary has already been paid by the Redskins) to rotate with Williams and Troup. Carrington and Edwards can play DE along with a rookie. the truth is. Locker was talked about by non football people as a 1st overall. Football people gave him a 3rd round grade. He went back to school to improve his draft status, he failed at that. Why would the Bills want a player that decides to play for a portion of the game? You can keep Haynesworth. Edited January 6, 2011 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I agree, would love to get Gabbert in the second round. Check out these highlights. youtube.com/watch?v=XW69HWngSdk that is a brilliant release. the guy would have to learn a bunch, but i really like that throwing motion. better than mallet by plenty. no way that guy lasts to the 2nd round. looks a bit rivers-esque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I just don't see any desirable QBs being around when we use our second pick. Too many teams need QBs. Not saying we need to draft one with the third pick overall, but I would like to see us draft the best defensive player and then trade up in the first to grab one of the 2nd tier QBs (Newton or Gabbert would be best case in that scenario). Let Fitz play and continue to play unless he gives Gailey a reason to start our new QB. 4 QBs gone in the first 10 pics This mock draft hear is far more likely to happen than what other people believe. The simple situation is that so many team need a QB, lots of teams will reach. When people respond to me by saying no one will want to trade into the #3 spot to get a QB, I say you're crazy. Half the teams picking in the top 12 need a QB, including ourself. However, are QB is servicable and we have so many other hole that if we skipped the position and taded out to gather pick, it makes sense. Teams will get depserate draft day for QB, the Bills are in a great position to move this pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I can live with this - I'm on board with Fairley, but it MUST be defense. I don't know if I'd go with Locker that early, but it's possible they may have to. There seem to be enough QBs out there that the Bills may feel the need to get one while they can. That said, I'd rather live with Fitz for another year and go heavy on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Is Mallet Jamarcus 2.0 or Bledsoe 2.0? Big effing difference. Honestly, Bledsoe in his prime was not a bad quarterback. Not a great one, but a good one. I've not seen Gabbert enough, but is there no Mizzou homerism in this one? I mean that you've probably seen him and rooted for him too much to hold an objective opinion - not that he is not good, per se. I don't think Mallet is Jamarcus Russel, i don't think any of these QBs are I was just saying if you are going to compare anybody to him it would be Mallet and that's really only from a physical standpoint. Oh and I fully admit that their is homerism, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a good prospect and the second best one IMO. And Bledsoe wasn't a bad QB but I don't want to draft a QB at #3 who is going to turn out to be mediocre. In fact I don't even want to draft Gabbert or any QB, I want Nick Fairley! I was just saying that after Luck, I think he is the second best option at QB. Edited January 6, 2011 by Stl Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I don't think Mallet is Jamarcus Russel, i don't think any of these QBs are I was just saying if you are going to compare anybody to him it would be Mallet and that's really only from a physical standpoint. Oh and I fully admit that their is homerism, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a good prospect and the second best one IMO. And Bledsoe wasn't a bad QB but I don't want to draft a QB at #3 who is going to turn out to be mediocre. In fact I don't even want to draft Gabbert or any QB, I want Nick Fairley! I was just saying that after Luck, I think he is the second best option at QB. IMHO, I think people on this board who aren't familiar with him will see just how dominant Fairley is when Auburn plays Oregon in the national championship game. He's this year's version of Suh - disruptive and unblockable with just a single lineman. That said, I get the feeling that he might not get past Denver at pick #2 (they can't stop the run at all and need a d-lineman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 We get a stud on D and our QB of the future. Link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/562759-2011-nfl-mock-draft-complete-1st-and-2nd-round-pick-predictions#page/4 I like the first, but if we take a QB in the second, I would like to see the kid from Neveda - more athletic and bigger arm than Locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 that is a brilliant release. the guy would have to learn a bunch, but i really like that throwing motion. better than mallet by plenty. no way that guy lasts to the 2nd round. looks a bit rivers-esque. Brillilant release - agreed. My concern is that he seems to be playing exclusively in a spread. Will take a lot of work to develop him into a QB who can take the snap under center. It's not an easy transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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