DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Laying it on kinda thick. if this topic hadnt been relegated to one thread, beerball wouldve been banned by now for campaigning. unfortunately, the mods gave him his own padded play room to take over and shut down any real discussion, and since it's only one thread, they dont seem to care. its all good though i guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMaxx Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 John Gruden on ESPN this morning went 1 on 1 with tebow, not only in the film room, but on the field. Said he has made tremendous improvements in a short period, and was "impressed" by him. Altho it was also after he criticized him in the film room. I hope we all get a chance to watch Gruden thursday night on ESPN at 7pm, bc he sits down with tebow, mccoy, clausen, bradford, and more Qb's i hope. Its enlightening to watch him disect them in the film room. Furthermore, if Gruden's a Tebow supporter, so am i. Go get him buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Gruden isn't exactly a good QB guy. Him and Allen juggled QBs every season having trouble finding a franchise QB. I like gruden as a coach and I like him more as a commentator, but his only real franchise QB was Brad Johnson who was really just good enough not to lose with everyone else around him being amazing. I think the Bucs went through QBs faster than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Is there a QB out there coming out of college that Gruden says he doesn't like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLocke Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Gruden isn't exactly a good QB guy. Him and Allen juggled QBs every season having trouble finding a franchise QB. I like gruden as a coach and I like him more as a commentator, but his only real franchise QB was Brad Johnson who was really just good enough not to lose with everyone else around him being amazing. I think the Bucs went through QBs faster than us. I could not disagree more. I think Gruden got more out of quarterbacks than many other coaches did. Rich Gannon did squat untill he had Gruden. Chris Simms only decent season came under Gruden in '05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Gruden isn't exactly a good QB guy. Him and Allen juggled QBs every season having trouble finding a franchise QB. I like gruden as a coach and I like him more as a commentator, but his only real franchise QB was Brad Johnson who was really just good enough not to lose with everyone else around him being amazing. I think the Bucs went through QBs faster than us. True. After all, Gruden brought Buffalo favorite Rob Johnson to Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 if this topic hadnt been relegated to one thread, beerball wouldve been banned by now for campaigning. unfortunately, the mods gave him his own padded play room to take over and shut down any real discussion, and since it's only one thread, they dont seem to care. its all good though i guess... I'm not campaigning and the only special treatment that I get is riding the short bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Gruden isn't exactly a good QB guy. Him and Allen juggled QBs every season having trouble finding a franchise QB. I like gruden as a coach and I like him more as a commentator, but his only real franchise QB was Brad Johnson who was really just good enough not to lose with everyone else around him being amazing. I think the Bucs went through QBs faster than us. Plus Gruden doesn't get fired if he's wrong about Tebow. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I could not disagree more. I think Gruden got more out of quarterbacks than many other coaches did. Rich Gannon did squat untill he had Gruden. Chris Simms only decent season came under Gruden in '05. Yeah, he got a lot out of QBs. But actually picking them? Him and Allen juggled QBs every year looking for a good one. One season there were 5 different QBs that started. Some due to injury, some due to suckage. I don't question gruden's coaching, I question his personel/scouting choices. His QBs he picks are usually below average. His best QB was Garcia toward the end of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Yeah, he got a lot out of QBs. But actually picking them? Him and Allen juggled QBs every year looking for a good one. One season there were 5 different QBs that started. Some due to injury, some due to suckage. I don't question gruden's coaching, I question his personel/scouting choices. His QBs he picks are usually below average. His best QB was Garcia toward the end of his career. He's at the very least better than we are at evaluating quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 He's at the very least better than we are at evaluating quarterbacks. I don't think he is better than Nix, who has helped pick Brees and Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 John Gruden on ESPN this morning went 1 on 1 with tebow, not only in the film room, but on the field. Said he has made tremendous improvements in a short period, and was "impressed" by him. Altho it was also after he criticized him in the film room. I hope we all get a chance to watch Gruden thursday night on ESPN at 7pm, bc he sits down with tebow, mccoy, clausen, bradford, and more Qb's i hope. Its enlightening to watch him disect them in the film room. Furthermore, if Gruden's a Tebow supporter, so am i. Go get him buddy http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5080617 I'm sold. Everything he has worked on looks very good, IMO. He is a solid kid. A hard worker. Willing learner. ALL ABOUT THE TEAM! There is nothing to NOT like about this kid. I just hope to God that Bill Belichik and New England do not get him. :lol: http://lennyfromindy.mywnde.com/files/2009...sweepstakes.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8kh9ioLxHkk/SWfh...bow-christ2.jpg http://images.quickblogcast.com/2/6/2/7/4/...ater%5B1%5D.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Looked pretty good from what we saw in the video. Go figure, a kid who actually WANTS to improve his game. I like his dedication to success. It's not that hard to hope he's successful, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Looked pretty good from what we saw in the video. Go figure, a kid who actually WANTS to improve his game. I like his dedication to success. He did look good on the video. That's different than looking good with a pass rush coming while trying to read a defense from one side of the field to the other. Not saying he won't, but all of the QB's look good in sweats right now. I would say most of the guys playing want to improve their game and work hard at doing so. They just don't get followed around with cameras like Tebow. Imagine if nobody followed him around constantly you wouldn't know anything about his work ethic for certain. But you could solidly assume he's a worker because he's been successful and he's about to get drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 He did look good on the video. That's different than looking good with a pass rush comingwhile trying to read a defense from one side of the field to the other. Not saying he won't, but all of the QB's look good in sweats right now. I would say most of the guys playing want to improve their game and work hard at doing so. They just don't get followed around with cameras like Tebow. Imagine if nobody followed him around constantly you wouldn't know anything about his work ethic for certain. But you could solidly assume he's a worker because he's been successful and he's about to get drafted. There's a reason he's being followed around by a camera more than others, or so I assume... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Jon Gruden's problem is he tends to over think the offense, to many offensive plays, and to much info for the QB absorb. His best offense is when he dials it down for a new QB, then once they are in his system awhile he bogs them down with to many plays. He wants his QB's to be as smart as he is and learn that foot thick playbook cover to cover and be able to run any play in it, JMT Tim Tebow is might turn out to be a decent QB, I just think he is a slower version of Vince Young / Michael Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Looked pretty good from what we saw in the video. Go figure, a kid who actually WANTS to improve his game. I like his dedication to success. It's not that hard to hope he's successful, that's for sure. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 With all the moves our AFC East counter-parts are making, we need the one and only Tim Tebow to save the day!!!! He walks on water, can part the Red Sea, and talks to God directly!!!!! Help us Tim Tebow, you're our only hope!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Tim Tebow is might turn out to be a decent QB, I just think he is a slower version of Vince Young / Michael Vick A slower Young/Vick would be a decent QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 A slower Young/Vick would be a decent QB? A slower, mentally stable Young/Vick would be a decent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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