Bills...would have to upgrade their stadium as well in the near future

[wide_right]

It's 20 miles from downtown Buffalo to the Falls. And despite Chalkie's insistence that it's inaccessible from Buffalo there are several roads in. It would cut travel time for Toronto fans by at least 30 minutes. Plus locating it in Niagara Falls puts the stadium into an established tourist area. True, the US side blows compared to the CAN side but a new domed stadium (it HAS to be a dome IMO) can do a lot to renovate the USA side.

PTR

theres a lot more to do in the downtown NF area as is than there is in Orchard Park, which essentially is only the stadium

[wide_right]

You don't think the NFL would frown upon the idea of a stadium in Niagara Falls, NY? You don't think they would push heavily for a different location?

ive seen several network Bills telecasts where they show images of the falls at the beginning of the telecast. they already think its a draw

[The Tomcat]

Upgrade my ass - the Bills need a new stadium - possibly in Lancaster, to continue drawing fans from Canada and Rochester. RWS is a dump and a huge pain in the ass to get to if you live north or east of Buffalo.

But I live south!

[May Day 10]

Niagara falls couldn't even maintain a short season class a new york penn league team.

 

Its beyond disgusting up there. I'm not trying to flame people but it smells up there. Bad and toxic smelling air. Most of the city is garbage unless you are at the outlet mall or on the brink of the falls looking at canada.

[Offside Number 76]

IF WE DON'T SOMEONE ELSE WILL. I'D RATHER HAVE OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S GRANDCHILDREN BE THE BENEFICIARY

 

Exactly. They'll be paying for the Bush money and the Reagan money anyway, what's a few trillion more? I guarantee you that other communities are taking advantage of this, knowing that the communities who don't take advantage STILL will share in the cost, so why not us?

[truth on hold]

Exactly. They'll be paying for the Bush money and the Reagan money anyway, what's a few trillion more? I guarantee you that other communities are taking advantage of this, knowing that the communities who don't take advantage STILL will share in the cost, so why not us?

every time i pick up the newspaper seems like another massive amount of aid or stimulus is going somewhere. so i ask myself, where's mine? this could our answer

[truth on hold]

Niagara falls couldn't even maintain a short season class a new york penn league team.

 

Its beyond disgusting up there. I'm not trying to flame people but it smells up there. Bad and toxic smelling air. Most of the city is garbage unless you are at the outlet mall or on the brink of the falls looking at canada.

there seems to be a notion that sports stadiums are in the most pristine, upper class areas. well, the most famous stadium, yankee stadium, is in the south bronx ... dt nf is heaven compared to that. and if you want upper class area, dt nf is minutes from lewiston heights, the most stunningly beautiful area in all of western, ny.

[weehawk]

How does a new stadium solve anything? They already get 73k in there to watch bush-league games (now at a $59 average ticket price). A new stadium means only one thing, much higher ticket prices. I know there's some dumb people in the area when it comes to the Bills, but I cant believe that people would pay upwards of $100 a ticket to watch this mess in a new stadium.

 

I also dont get Goodell's statement. What needs improvement? Ok, the bathrooms and some more concession stands. Otherwise, it's a decent facility for an economically depressed area that sees year over year population decreases. They struggle to sell the corporate boxes as it is, so no upgrades are needed there.

 

Finally, I dont see any govt money flowing into WNY for this. This would have to be a privately built stadium and no one is going to invest that kind of money into Buffalo (sadly).

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

ive seen several network Bills telecasts where they show images of the falls at the beginning of the telecast. they already think its a draw

 

LOL, they do that on a running loop... for Sabres games too that are televised on Versus.

 

Obligatory shot of the falls, obligatory shot of the little trolley that could and finally the obligatory shot of someone throwing wings around in a stainless-steel bowl.

 

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

It's 20 miles from downtown Buffalo to the Falls. And despite Chalkie's insistence that it's inaccessible from Buffalo there are several roads in. It would cut travel time for Toronto fans by at least 30 minutes. Plus locating it in Niagara Falls puts the stadium into an established tourist area. True, the US side blows compared to the CAN side but a new domed stadium (it HAS to be a dome IMO) can do a lot to renovate the USA side.

 

PTR

 

That would be the ultimate silver bullet project, a perfect WNYesque type thing to do. And why do you keep buttering up to Toronto??? Your concern for a new stadium seems to be completely Canadian-centric.

 

[wide_right]

That would be the ultimate silver bullet project, a perfect WNYesque type thing to do. And why do you keep buttering up to Toronto??? Your concern for a new stadium seems to be completely Canadian-centric.

 

The Canadian side would benefit massively from professional football in dt nf. They'd have a vested interest seeing it work.

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

They should already have an interest in the Niagara Falls, St. Catharines areas already. Two games have been placed in Toronto and I believe we've seen how well-received that was.

 

Besides, I continually read how the Canadian fans like coming down to OP to tailgate and watch the game. I haven't read them ranting about the location of the current stadium.

[wide_right]

They should already have an interest in the Niagara Falls, St. Catharines areas already. Two games have been placed in Toronto and I believe we've seen how well-received that was.

 

Besides, I continually read how the Canadian fans like coming down to OP to tailgate and watch the game. I haven't read them ranting about the location of the current stadium.

Chalkie, as someone else said, you're just silly now. It's pretty much a waste responding, but I'll give it a few more whacks.

NFL in dt nf would mean 80,000+ more people at least 8x a year. Many of whom would take the opportunity to visit the CDN side. Out of town fans would often stay at CDN hotels, which means supporting restaurants, shopping and dining there. A Super Bowl would generate the much needed and deserved International attention. The multiplier effect would be felt throughout the year as, for example, some visitors would make it a point to come back during the summer and enjoy the new golf courses too.

[truth on hold]

Methinks Chalkie is one of the guys charging $20 for parking on his front lawn near the Ralph LOL. He's desperately trying to salvage his livelihood.

[Bleed Bills Blue]

How does a new stadium solve anything? They already get 73k in there to watch bush-league games (now at a $59 average ticket price). A new stadium means only one thing, much higher ticket prices. I know there's some dumb people in the area when it comes to the Bills, but I cant believe that people would pay upwards of $100 a ticket to watch this mess in a new stadium.

 

I also dont get Goodell's statement. What needs improvement? Ok, the bathrooms and some more concession stands. Otherwise, it's a decent facility for an economically depressed area that sees year over year population decreases. They struggle to sell the corporate boxes as it is, so no upgrades are needed there.

 

Finally, I dont see any govt money flowing into WNY for this. This would have to be a privately built stadium and no one is going to invest that kind of money into Buffalo (sadly).

Got to agree. I'll bet most of those dreaming of a new stadium here don't actually buy seasons and go to the games. I'd rather not have to pay an extra $400-500 a year for my tix. I look around, and the people I see at the Ralph on Sunday have a great game day experience as things are. A decent team would make things even better, but who really cares about individual seats with cup holders and crap like that? I mean, Promo is right, I could just as well fall in love with a new stadium, but how much more would I have to pay?

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

Methinks Chalkie is one of the guys charging $20 for parking on his front lawn near the Ralph LOL. He's desperately trying to salvage his livelihood.

 

You can park here if you like, but it'll be a 4-5 mile walk to the stadium. I'd also ask the person parking if they want a stadium in Niagara Falls, if they say yes, I tack on a $10 surcharge.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Got to agree. I'll bet most of those dreaming of a new stadium here don't actually buy seasons and go to the games. I'd rather not have to pay an extra $400-500 a year for my tix. I look around, and the people I see at the Ralph on Sunday have a great game day experience as things are. A decent team would make things even better, but who really cares about individual seats with cup holders and crap like that? I mean, Promo is right, I could just as well fall in love with a new stadium, but how much more would I have to pay?

The reason for a new stadium is to maintain a level of quality the NFL demands. It's their club. You want to be a part of it? You gotta pay. You are right in that you could play football in RWS for a hundred years. But the NFL does not want their teams in old facilities. Besides there are design flaws in RWS that you could correct: wider concourses, more bathrooms, better concessions, etc. And I really believe building a dome will draw more people to games and make the Bills more attractive to free agents. Playing in snow will no longer be an issue.

 

PTR

[spartacus]

Got to agree. I'll bet most of those dreaming of a new stadium here don't actually buy seasons and go to the games. I'd rather not have to pay an extra $400-500 a year for my tix. I look around, and the people I see at the Ralph on Sunday have a great game day experience as things are. A decent team would make things even better, but who really cares about individual seats with cup holders and crap like that? I mean, Promo is right, I could just as well fall in love with a new stadium, but how much more would I have to pay?

 

Most posters here are not the brightest bulbs in the shed.

 

they can't connect the dots that when you spend $1 billion to build a new domed stadium for 8 home games (2 in Toronto), ticket prices and everything will go up exponentially - not to mention the personal seat license fees just for the privilege to buy those inflated tickets

 

and the kicker is that the on-field product will not be any better than it is today.

[truth on hold]

Most posters here are not the brightest bulbs in the shed.

 

they can't connect the dots that when you spend $1 billion to build a new domed stadium for 8 home games (2 in Toronto), ticket prices and everything will go up exponentially - not to mention the personal seat license fees just for the privilege to buy those inflated tickets

 

and the kicker is that the on-field product will not be any better than it is today.

they will, the Bills need more revenue to stay here. who's not getting "the point?"

[PromoTheRobot]

they will, the Bills need more revenue to stay here. who's not getting "the point?"

Some of those "dim bulbs" are forgetting the Bills are not guaranteed a spot in the NFL. Being in the NFL is expensive. Going to NFL games in almost every other city costs 2-3X what it costs here. If you think it's too expensive to keep up with the rest of the league, then maybe Buffalo shouldn't be an NFL city anymore. Maybe Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft are right?

 

PTR

[Hammered a Lot]

they will, the Bills need more revenue to stay here. who's not getting "the point?"

The out of touch guys in the Niagara Falls Building Inspector office.

[truth on hold]

You can park here if you like, but it'll be a 4-5 mile walk to the stadium. I'd also ask the person parking if they want a stadium in Niagara Falls, if they say yes, I tack on a $10 surcharge.

 

"cold beer here!!!" guy?

[BillsVet]

Most posters here are not the brightest bulbs in the shed.

 

they can't connect the dots that when you spend $1 billion to build a new domed stadium for 8 home games (2 in Toronto), ticket prices and everything will go up exponentially - not to mention the personal seat license fees just for the privilege to buy those inflated tickets

 

and the kicker is that the on-field product will not be any better than it is today.

 

The NFL loves Buffalo playing in Toronto, but isn't keen on their venue. At some point, it'll need to be addressed and I can't see two stadiums being built to serve 1 team.

 

NFL owners along with the commissioner want the league to grow. And if they had their choice, owners would not hesitate if a reasonable bid for the Bills came in from Toronto as long as a stadium provision is there. It was reported someone from Toronto already put in a bid for the Rams.

[wide_right]

"cold beer here!!!" guy?

Oh yeah, thought I'd seen Chalkie before.

[Marv's Neighbor]

DOMED STADIUM, DOWNTOWN NIAGARA FALLS. "NIAGARA FRONTIER BILLS"

BUILT WITH STIMULUS MONEY. GIVE OBAMA THE JOBS HE WANTS.

 

It's all there for the taking if we'd just freaking ask.

That's how we go THE ROCKPILE & the AUD in the 30's!

[PromoTheRobot]

That's how we go THE ROCKPILE & the AUD in the 30's!

War Memorial Stadium: War Memorial Stadium was originally constructed as a WPA project in 1937.

 

The Aud: The Buffalo Memorial Auditorium began as a public works project to replace an aging civic auditorium. In June 1938, city officials sent a loan and grant application to the WPA for funds to build the new structure. The approval of the $1.2 million grant was announced in Washington D.C. on October 7, 1938,[1] and construction began on November 30, 1939.

 

What was this WPA? Was it some Obama-hatched socialist plot to destroy America?

 

PTR

[wide_right]

That's how we go THE ROCKPILE & the AUD in the 30's!

awesome point

 

WPA

[Bleed Bills Blue]

The reason for a new stadium is to maintain a level of quality the NFL demands. It's their club. You want to be a part of it? You gotta pay. You are right in that you could play football in RWS for a hundred years. But the NFL does not want their teams in old facilities.

PTR

If this truly was the only way to keep the Bills here, well, ok... But you know, I hear this all the time, and it just doesn't make much sense to me. Why can't a RWS renovation give the league everything it requires? If the reason is to enable the team to have scores of luxury corporate suites (which is where the big money comes from), well, who are the WNY businesses who will snap these up, anyway? Build it, and they still won't come. And that's not money split with the other teams anyway, is it?

 

It can't be simply to provide a good looking stadium for the tv audience, because, really, all you see is the field and announcers for 99% of the broadcast. And besides, isn't it more in the best interest for an NFL to show a packed house full of rabid fans instead of a pretty stadium? That provides an image that your product is thriving. For excitement and electricity we can match any team in the league (e.g., the prime time Dallas game).

 

If you need to increase the gate so that there's a higher split with the visiting team, well, I get that. But , my observation of the local game-going fan base is that the number of new "fair-weather" fans you bring in to a new stadium won't begin to offset the number you'll lose if you double or triple the cost of season tickets.

[OrangeJuiceSimpson]

A retractable dome adds a lot to the cost. Also the myth of the Bills being snow warriors is long gone. And quite frankly I'm too old to be freezin' my ass off. Trust me people would rather sit in a dome. The players would rather play in a dome. Having a dome would even make signing free agents easier.

 

PTR

 

 

 

Our players aren't from Buffalo! It's benificial for everyone to have a dome.

[truth on hold]

 

Our players aren't from Buffalo! It's benificial for everyone to have a dome.

3 of the 4 conference championship teams play in domes. both super bowl teams play in domes.

 

dome fever, catch it!

[weehawk]

Where will this additional stadium revenue come from? Simply because the stadium is new? Unless you are talking about an 80k+ sized stadium at $100 a ticket, there is not a lot more money to be made from the stadium. We have a very low corporate base and an economy made up of union, govt, and medical care workers that mostly make lower middle-class wages. If the argument is that the team needs to make more money at the gate to survive, then you might as well say goodbye now.

 

Avg NFL ticket = $75

Bills new avg ticket = $59

 

If they raised it to the NFL avg, they'd make an addl 10.5 million a season. Not enough to make that much of a difference and it assumes that we sell out every game (pre-season too). I just dont see how a new stadium even comes close to saving the team. In fact, I think it would ultimately hurt attendance due to higher prices across the board.

 

Let's not forget that everything else associated with the stadium increases too. Parking, beer, hot dogs, etc. AND, they better build it with as much tailgating space as they have now, or they'll lose the party crowd. Worry about getting back to the playoffs. A new stadium is not needed and could hurt the tewam more than it helps.

 

 

 

 

they will, the Bills need more revenue to stay here. who's not getting "the point?"

[dwight in philly]

Where will this additional stadium revenue come from? Simply because the stadium is new? Unless you are talking about an 80k+ sized stadium at $100 a ticket, there is not a lot more money to be made from the stadium. We have a very low corporate base and an economy made up of union, govt, and medical care workers that mostly make lower middle-class wages. If the argument is that the team needs to make more money at the gate to survive, then you might as well say goodbye now.

 

Avg NFL ticket = $75

Bills new avg ticket = $59

 

If they raised it to the NFL avg, they'd make an addl 10.5 million a season. Not enough to make that much of a difference and it assumes that we sell out every game (pre-season too). I just dont see how a new stadium even comes close to saving the team. In fact, I think it would ultimately hurt attendance due to higher prices across the board.

 

Let's not forget that everything else associated with the stadium increases too. Parking, beer, hot dogs, etc. AND, they better build it with as much tailgating space as they have now, or they'll lose the party crowd. Worry about getting back to the playoffs. A new stadium is not needed and could hurt the tewam more than it helps.

would somebody , i mean some of the "experts" on here, who keep saying you "need more revenue to survive", show us the figures, do you have a projected amount ? based on?.. the stadium is fine, buffalo and the region can support the franchise, as is.

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

"cold beer here!!!" guy?

 

What part of being five miles from Ralph Wiggam Stadium did you not catch? You can BYOB and then stumble five miles to the stadium.

 

[BobbyC81]

I'd rather not take any Obama money...our grandchildren's grandchildren will be paying for it in the end.

 

The world ends in 2012 anyways. We need the Bills to just focus on winning now.