papazoid Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 here some names who are avail: Jim Bates (Tampa) Rob Ryan (Cle) Rex's brother Dean Pees (N.E.) interviewed with denver Rod Marinelli (Chi) D line coach....former head coach Det Paul Pasqualoni (Mia) Bob Sutton (Jets) L.B. coach Keith Butler (Pit) L.B. coach Al Groh ( georgia tech) Will Muschamp (texas) here are some more candidates: By Allen Wilson News Sports Reporter Updated: January 20, 2010, 11:39 PM Gailey spent his first day on the job trying to put together a coaching staff. Chances are good that finding a defensive coordinator is at the top of his priority list. The Denver Post reported the Bills requested permission from the Broncos to speak with Mike Nolan, but he agreed to become Miami's defensive guru before the Bills introduced Gailey as their new coach. The fact that the Bills reportedly were interested in Nolan is another indication that Gailey is serious about trying to switch to the 3-4 defense. Clancy Pendergast ran the 3-4 in Kansas City, though he was recently demoted after just one year as defensive coordinator. Pendergast also ran a 3-4 part of the time in Arizona in 2008. He was a defensive assistant under Gailey in Dallas, and they worked together for eight months in Kansas City in 2009 before Gailey was fired by first-year head coach Todd Haley. Another coordinator with 3-4 experience is Tim Lewis, currently the secondary coach in Seattle. Lewis was Bill Cowher's defensive coordinator in Pittsburgh from 2000 to '03 but was fired because, according to reports, his style was not aggressive enough for Cowher's liking. Jim Bates was Gailey's defensive line coach in Dallas and was Miami's defensive coordinator when Gailey ran the Dolphins' offense. Bates, who has been unemployed since being fired in midseason by Tampa Bay, is a proven coach, but he only runs the 4-3 defense. Bates also is the opposite of Gailey in a key way. While Gailey tailors his offensive system to the talent available, Bates' style of defense is not as flexible. He tries to make the talent fit the scheme he runs. Gailey's defensive coordinator when he was the Cowboys' head coach was Dave Campo. But like much of that staff, he was a holdover from the Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer regimes. Campo, who succeeded Gailey as head coach in Dallas and is currently its secondary coach, is from the 4-3 school like Bates. Jon Tenuta served as Gailey's defensive coordinator at Georgia Tech. Tenuta's most recent job was as Charlie Weis' linebackers coach at Notre Dame. Tenuta has been mostly a 4-3 guy and has not worked in the NFL. Another option could be Dean Pees, who stepped down last week as defensive coordinator in New England. He is being courted by Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Have we really forgotten about Jim Mora Jr already? He was on Buffalo radio yesterday...talking about Michael Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 When Shanahan took over and hired Haslett to be his new DC, did the Redskins can Greg Blache? If he is available, he could be worth a look. As bad as Washington was last year, their defense was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dokken Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I hear Rod Rust is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo poonani Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I like Bob Sanders. The D-line was much improved this year compared to last, plus he was a DC in GB. Bates tries to make players fit his schemes instead of scheming to the abilities of his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Mike Nolan would've been huge. Now that he's gone, I have to say that no one else that has been mentioned in this thread excites me. They are mostly rejects. PS- The Shanahan-Nolan partnership with Snyder's $$ is going to yield big results in Washington... mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Mike Nolan would've been huge. Now that he's gone, I have to say that no one else that has been mentioned in this thread excites me. They are mostly rejects. PS- The Shanahan-Nolan partnership with Snyder's $$ is going to yield big results in Washington... mark my words. Nolan signed with Miami.... Haslett signed with Shanahan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamRoller67 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 You can run a tampa-2 from both a 4-3 and a 3-4. "Tampa-2" simply means two deep zone as your base D. Nothing would have to be "gutted" to make the conversion to a 3-4, but we don't have enough quality linebackers or monster NT to make a 3-4 work right now. The fact that we run "tampa-2" has nothing to do with it. I don't watch film for 6 hours a day, but I can't think of one 3-4 defense that runs anything near a tampa 2 scheme in the secondary. It defeats the entire purpose of the 3-4 scheme. The 3-4 is all about bringing pressure from any conceivable angle and from any position . The tampa 2 base requires the mike LBer to drop 8-15 yards and cover the natural gap left between the safeties as well as the OLB's covering the flats.... I would like to see a full conversion to the 3-4, attacking defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I don't watch film for 6 hours a day................ 3-4 defense Me neither. My memories of the 90's Bills and their 3-4 with a HOF DE and a talented LB corps was that teams with big O-lines ran on us all day long and couldn't stop it. Like SB 25 against the Giants. Actually all the SB's. So I'm not sure I'm sold on the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Have we really forgotten about Jim Mora Jr already? He was on Buffalo radio yesterday...talking about Michael Vick. Jim Mora jr would not go over to well in Buffalo. He is a guy that was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Kelly Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 This may be a reach, but former Buffalo rival, Bryan Cox did very well at DL coach for Cleveland. I think he has the leadership skills to be a future head coach. I wouldn't mind giving him a try Great. He can give us all the finger again. Why don't we just give you the finger. I cannot believe you suggested his name. Dolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanatablues Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Jim Bates Defensive Coordinator Rankings: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/20...gs-lebeau-knows EDIT: from June 2009 As a sidebar and sorry if it's already been pointed out elsewhere, Chan Gailey is listed as the #2 offensive coordinator in the league. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/20...kings-cams-best I'm not particularly in favor of moving to the 3-4, even though Stroud just came out saying that we would play anywhere, even as a NT ... we don't have a true NT on the roster. Which means that we'd have to pick up two, the starter and a backup as well. Bates had a great rep until he flamed with the Broncs and Bucs, he runs a 4-3 but his run contain defense requires very specific personnel in order to work. We don't have the people, either, though you'd think it might be easier to pick up LBs rather that NTs in this league. I'm not particularly thrilled with any of the guys out there ... obviously the more successful DCs have jobs already. If they act according to what they've said, look for the new DC to be an effective and proven teacher. This points away from some up and coming assistant. It is kindof strange that Bob Sanders hasn't found a spot anywhere, most of the staff has already found places. He is a 4-3 guy, good teacher, lousy HC but a decent DC. Certainly would be no sizzle with that hiring, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I just hope Gailey's staff gets hired quicker than it took to hire Gailey. A long wait will only get ugly. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I don't watch film for 6 hours a day, but I can't think of one 3-4 defense that runs anything near a tampa 2 scheme in the secondary. It defeats the entire purpose of the 3-4 scheme. The 3-4 is all about bringing pressure from any conceivable angle and from any position . The tampa 2 base requires the mike LBer to drop 8-15 yards and cover the natural gap left between the safeties as well as the OLB's covering the flats.... I would like to see a full conversion to the 3-4, attacking defense. The 3-4 is more versatile, but all it really means is that you have 3 down linemen and 4 linebackers. You can rush 3, send a linebacker and rush 4, send two linebackers (or a DB) and blitz, or zone dog from it. But You can just as easily drop into a cover 2 zone. Many teams do this. You guys really think that "3-4" means the cover-2 magically goes away? Teams were running cover 2 defenses long before tampa made it their base defense...and the only reason they did it is because their front 4 was so dominant that they could generate an incredible pass rush without ever needing to send a 5th guy at the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 ^and as another poster pointed out, the 3-4 can be extremely UNaggressive, if your coordinator is, say, Walt Corey or Ted Cottrell. The 3-4 is not a magical aggressive scheme. If you want aggressive, go double eagle (forty six) and let's have some fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 here some names who are avail: Jim Bates (Tampa) Rob Ryan (Cle) Rex's brother Dean Pees (N.E.) interviewed with denver Rod Marinelli (Chi) D line coach....former head coach Det Paul Pasqualoni (Mia) Bob Sutton (Jets) L.B. coach Keith Butler (Pit) L.B. coach Al Groh ( georgia tech) Will Muschamp (texas) I know there was some concern around Pittsburgh when the Dolphins interviewed Butler for DC because he is seen as the heir apparent to LeBeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 I know there was some concern around Pittsburgh when the Dolphins interviewed Butler for DC because he is seen as the heir apparent to LeBeau BINGO. WE MAY HAVE WINNER Tommy likey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 This may be a reach, but former Buffalo rival, Bryan Cox did very well at DL coach for Cleveland. I think he has the leadership skills to be a future head coach. I wouldn't mind giving him a try Adam, you often come up with the weirdest stuff..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To Pegulavilla Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 XX 1090 with Lee ''Hacksaw''Hamilton in San Diego is reporting the Bills are interviewing Jim Bates for DC position. Not sure how he knows that. Just thought I would share that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I worry if we bring in Bates we'll have another year of double digit IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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