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The Road not Taken!!!!!
SuperKillerRobots replied to tonyjustbcuz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
OK, first of all, how is anything you wrote in this post ironic? It's not ironic that we passed on a QB and signed a UDFA RB. That's two seperate and pretty much unrelated things. I don't even know who you're referring to as the best draft pick, but that statement exhibits no irony either. Next, who cares where they dig up the bottom 20 guys on the training camp roster? i.e. the guys who wont even make the PS. If, as you contend (and are probably right), the Bills do not get more than 4 to 6 wins, why would you want a one year vet starting instead of a young guy who can learn, get better potentially, and most importantly still be on the team in 3 years? I think you hit it that QB is the msot important part of winning in the NFL, but if there wasn't a good one there, why take one? Just for the sake of it? I'm pretty sure as far as team size goes, that was basically the point of the draft for them. They got a lot bigger. We have the tweeners playing the "tweener" positions now in the 3-4 and got a lot bigger up front on the DL. Maybe it's not yet enough, but it was a hell of a start. You are one of those people that keeps saying the Bills are cheap. You mentioned 6 guys specifically that we lost. Of those players, I would say we only really missed Big Pat. To a lesser extent you could say that AW and Nasty Nate were tough losses, but we had Nasty Nate when AW left and Nasty Nate left for stupid money that he never played up to. Sam was a great player for us until the injury that basically made him ineffective for the rest of his career. Jabari was a good player that we developed, but nothing special - George Wilson is better. JL is exactly what you said you didn't want earlier in your post - a small guy. He never did anything for us and he was a UDFA when we got him, so no harm in losing him. Not tomention all of the money that they've spent on FAs and even re-signing their own players like Lee. Finally, I think what you are missing is that in order to sign/keep good football players you have to have them at one point. So the problem might not be so much that we are losing players because we can't keep them, but more like we don't have any players worth keeping, so why spend money re-signing a guy. I don't think that the Bills have had particularly good talent on the team, which is why they haven't been good. I think that's a result of poor drafting for the most part, but also to an extent poor coaching. The reason people are more optimistic is that we have a semi-proven talent guy, a new head coach, and soemthing of a direction that isn't based off the previous regime's schemes, players, ideas of how to play football, but their own. -
Oh yeah...Byrd! Good one and I agree...but like other farm systems for the NFL....EACH TIME A PLAYER achieves a productive status they go to the highest bidder at FA time!...u say no?.....Jabari Greer, A. Winfield, Pat Williams, Nate Clements...Leonhard, I'll stop but that list is a lot longer.........Anyone want to add to it feel free! So what I'm saying is even the Byrd will fly away for FA.....
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Isn't it ironic that we by passed Colt McCoy deep in the draft, but we take some unknown, inexperienced RB that Indy discarded named Colt Simpson. "No offense O.J."..... Wasn't there a free agent offensive tackle available not too long ago....Levi Jones or something like that? So instead we draft a small time QB in the 7th round Levi Brown..."No offense Jim".... Then didn't we just pick up a RB named Mendenhall? Well, yeah I know we did...but isn't the other one the one that matters? We picked up another unknown! I also know we picked up some hall of famers! Well actually their college players that went undrafted, but the Bills have high hopes for some of them. At least their optimistic! Yeah, but the names sure are iconic football names from the past: Destin Harris...."Darn not Franco" Sean Allen...... Drats not Marcus Antonio Coleman...Well not Monte Bell, Jones, Johnson (at least he's not Rob)... So after this big splash in free agency and the draft what are your feelings on how much we improved, regressed, or stayed the same???? To me, I like as Robert Frost put it "The Road not taken", but I like that road better than the road we took !!! It's also so ironic that the best player that this franchise has selected in the past five years is at a position that we didn't really need to improve on in contrast to severe needs at QB and OLT. Just remember, praise their selections if you want..but mark my work when we struggle this year...we're all going to say..boy they lost some close games...if we just had a better QB and better blocking for the QB we would've won 8 or 9 games at least. Unfortunately, the sad reality is that when it's all said and done and everyone has spoken their piece...and Donte predicts the playoffs again, and Chan Gailey talks about turning it around like the Dolphins and Jets did...We're still going to be 5 wins and 11 losses until we ADDRESS OUR NEEDS with big boy college players that played against top competition. This little tweener team of little guys from little colleges that can play more than one position including special teams like Spiller..is not what I want my team to be like....You don't see Pittsburgh or Baltimore get manhandled, and you see that quality teams like N.ENG and Indy have the skill positon guys which you need...The Brady's, Moss's, etc....Who do we really have at WR for sure besides Lee Evans?????? Parrish?? yeah right, Hardy? Hardly....Easley? It won't be Easy for the rook! Stevie (I wonder) Johnson? Not so far? Who??? Maybe, we should get the old but better than anything we have on our roster Marvin Harrison if he's not back with Indy! Core players?? Pozluzny...no Pozinjury is out more than in! Schoebel? Just sold his house! Sounds like that ship has sailed! Byrd (break...smile..2 more years GONE!) to highest bidder! u say no???? Hmmmm...Pat Williams, Nate Clements, Antwoine Winfield, Sam Cowhart, Jabari Greer, that Leonhart guy whose quite good!....etc.... It starts at the top..and as long as they hire coaches and staff on the cheap and avoid QB's in the first two rounds...they won't ever make it back to the playoffs! I see people predicting great things...that they are building towards..but it's all a facade. Even when they bring a player along like Peters, they repeatedly have shown that they are not willing to pay what it takes to keep him. That is a fact and history continually repeats itself. The top teams keep most of their superstars..Indy will retire a Colt and Brady will spend several years on the Patriots unless he gets plagued by injuries. Good teams keep their stars, the Bills like the Bisons is a good place to watch some young players develop and if they become a desirable player move on to a "real" NFL Franchise!!!! I hate to say all this, but it's the way it is and I'm a diehard supporter of da Bills regardless of the product they put on the field every year. But, I'm not going to call a pile of sh*t a pile of Gold !!!!!
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I'm assuming that I have the number one pick (expansion teams do, generally) so here goes.... Round 1- Sam Bradford, QB Round 2- Nate Allen, FS Round 3- Jon Asamoah, OG Round 4- Corey Wootton, DE Round 5- Arthur Jones, DT Round 6- Arthur Moats, ILB/MLB Round 7- Selvish Capers, OT URFA- Antonio Coleman, OLB URFA- Ciron Black, OT/OG RFA- None ( they cost draft picks!) UFA- Wade Smith, OG UFA- Rex Hadnot, OG UFA-Jay Feeley, K UFA- Brandon Manumaleuna, TE Head Coach: Gregg Williams Trade(s)- Troy Smith, QB from Bal. for 4th rounder in 2011 Sam Hurd, WR from Dal. for 6th ronder in 2012 There is plenty of cash, so UFA's rule the day!
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For all you Ralph haters
Delete This Account replied to rjg1993's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
yes, i do respect Mr. Wilson. oh really? how is this speculation. it's fact. T.O. Lee Evans. Takeo Spikes. Schobel. Dockery. Kudos to Nate Clements for getting the reaching a big contract with the 49ers, but really, has he dramatically improved that team? The Redskins have been among the NFL's biggest spenders under Dan Snyder: And they've won how many playoff games? I see the Albert Haynesworth deal paid off for them. And if you're bringing up Peerless Price, well, the Falcons sure didn't get value from that deal. As for Pat Williams, that was a major loss, but one that falls on the shoulders of Tom Donahoe. right, and you conveniently forget what some where saying about Mr. Wilson a few years later when owners started questioning the deal they got themselves into. the fact that they opted out of the deal can be construed to be somewhat of a validation for how the Bills voted. based on how poorly the Bills have played in their first two regular season games in Toronto, i doubt they would've won at Ralph Wilson Stadium. and yet, why do you single out Mr. Wilson for being the lone, so-called miser? i'm not moving. i would hesitate to speak in absolutes. they have not been "a complete failure." far from it. you simply choose to cherry pick certain nuggets that seem like facts and hold them up to be so. jw -
Nix: Blockers Get Better With Spiller
thewildrabbit replied to symbiant's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
They kept drafting low character players at the RB position-Travis Henry-Willis McGahee- Marshawn Lynch. They keep needing to draft CB's because they refuse to pay Antoine Winfield-Nate Clements and even Jabari Greer and then keep drafting the wrong safety's Donte Whitner-Ko Simpson-Ashton Yoboty. Jaurons idea of filling out a roster is keep drafting for the same position year after year and hope to get lucky. Let's face facts, more then anything else this team has done nothing but decline since Bill Polian. It all starts and ends with the GM, lets hope Nix knows what he is doing. From my view I'm just a tad leery now because of the failure to address the OL and more specifically both tackle positions and center. Anthony Davis was there...Mike Iupati was there...Maurkice Pouncey was there...Brian Bulaga was there. Lets hope the Bills didn't draft another Travis-Willis-Marshawn -
Since we can't grade 2010 draft yet, how 'bout 2007?
MarkyMannn replied to HurlyBurly51's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Hey ths is fun! Here are older drafts: 2003 - Buffalo Bills 1 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami (Fla.) C 2 48 Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska B 3 94 Angelo Crowell LB Virginia C 4 111 Terrence McGee DB B 4 127 Sam Aiken WR North Carolina D 5 151 Ben Sobieski G Iowa F 6 187 Lauvale Sape DT Utah F 7 228 Mario Haggan LB Mississippi State D 2002 - Buffalo Bills Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 4 Mike Williams T Texas F------- 2 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State B 2 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young C 3 97 Coy Wire SS Stanford C 5 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado B 6 176 Kevin Thomas CB Nevada-Las Vegas F 7 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn F 7 249 Rodney Wright -- Fresno State F 7 251 Jarrett Ferguson -- Virginia Tech F 7 260 Dominique Stevenson LB Tennessee F Plus we traded that day for Drew Bledsoe C 2001 - Buffalo Bills Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 21 Nate Clements CB Ohio State A 2 46 Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian A 2 58 Travis Henry HB Tennessee B 3 76 Ron Edwards DT Texas A&M C 3 95 Jonas Jennings T Georgia C 4 110 Brandon Spoon MLB North Carolina D 5 144 Marques Sullivan T Illinois F 6 178 Tony Driver DB Notre Dame F 6 195 Dan O'Leary TE Notre Dame F 6 196 Jimmy Williams CB Vanderbilt F 7 214 Reggie Germany WR Ohio State F 7 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Georgia F 2000 - Buffalo Bills Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State F- 2 58 Travares Tillman FS Georgia Tech D 3 89 Corey Moore OLB Virginia Tech F isn't he dead? 4 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee State F 5 156 Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech B 6 194 Leif Larsen DT Texas-El Paso F 7 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo F 7 251 DaShon Polk LB Arizona F -
His personal performance he probably cares about. (And he has made statements that seem to point this out) The outcome of the game and the team's overall performance? Yes, I am saying he does not care. Win or lose, he still is collecting a paycheck. I have seen nothing he said or done to prove otherwise. It is not uncommon to find people working in jobs and careers for the simple reason they posses the ability to do so. They could care less how the company performs. As long as they are performing well enough to earn the paycheck they want, it's good enough. What's ridiculous is assuming athlete's are immune from this concept. I guess the likes of Willis McGahee and the Mike Williams never make it to the NFL level. Or Jason Peters or Albert Haynesworth or Nate Clements, etc ... I could go back years and rattle off names of players who are more worried about the money than they are about wining or losing. Wha?! You mean a person who actually cares about the outcome did not want to play for team he felt was not going to win? Hey, thanks for supporting my argument where "fans" have an emotional interest in their team winning and losing. Even when he eventually came to Buffalo, Kelly still gave a rat's ass whether or not the team won or lost. That's because he was a "fan". I think it does. It represents a snapshot into Trent's leadership abilities, or lack thereof. Kelly was a player and a "fan". He hated losing. And he did his best to push and motivate his teammates to win. Talley was a player and a "fan". Before each game, Talley used run up and down the sidelines challenging each player to make an impact play. Edwards? As he himself stated, he's not a "fan", he's just a player. And it shows. I get it. You and Dog are a "fan" of Edwards. And it shows.
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Injuries happen all the time and McKelvin was a good selection because Buffalo usually gets their DBs through the draft and do not have a history of signing CBs to 80 million dollar deals (see Nate Clements - who was also hurt last year). This is why the Spiller pick was good because RBs get hurt all the time. If San Francisco (Nate Clements), Washington (Haynesworth) and Buffalo (Lee Evans) had it to do over again, I am not so sure that everyone would want to spend the 10 million dollars a year on these players.
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Actually, the 1st draft of the TD/GW era was pretty good...In 2001, we found starters in Nate Clements, Travis Henry, Aaron Schobel, and Jonas Jennings. Even Ron Edwards went on to have an average NFL career with us and KC. Where they went south was when they got cute with the McGahee pick and then failing to address the OL.
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That is true. However, Nix's drafts have been progressively worse (I am looking at rds 2+). Granted 2004 was simply amazing (and somehow he passed on Losman in '04). 2007 Rnd Name College Note 1 Craig Davis Louisiana State 2 Eric Weddle Utah 3 Anthony Waters Clemson 4 Scott Chandler Iowa 5 Legedu Naanee Boise State 7 Brandon Siler Florida 2006 Rnd Name College Note 1 Antonio Cromartie Florida State 2 Marcus McNeill Auburn 3 Charlie Whitehurst Clemson 5 Tim Dobbins Iowa State 6 Jeromey Clary Kansas State 6 Kurt Smith Virginia 7 Chase Page North Carolina 7 Jimmy Martin Virginia Tech 2005 Rnd Name College Note 1 Shawne Merriman Maryland 1 Luis Castillo Northwestern 2 Vincent Jackson Northern Colorado 4 Darren Sproles Kansas State 5 Wesley Britt Alabama 6 Wes Sims Oklahoma 7 Scott Mruczkowski Bowling Green 2004 Rnd Name College Note 1 Eli Manning Mississippi (=philip rivers) 2 Igor Olshansky Oregon 3 Nate Kaeding Iowa 3 Nick Hardwick Purdue 4 Shaun Phillips Purdue 5 Dave Ball UCLA 5 Michael Turner Northern Illinois 6 Ryan Krause Nebraska-Omaha 7 Ryon Bingham Nebraska 7 Shane Olivea Ohio State 7 Carlos Joseph Miami (FL)
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Confirmation Jauron Is No Longer Bills HC
VanCity replied to BillsNYC's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Really? I live on the West Coast and get to see a number of 49ers games. Nate isn't exactly (read:understatement) worth what they paid him, so the FO was smart there. As for Greer, that was a slight loss. However, you can't compete with a team that won the SB last year. Are there any more examples of top D Backs? Some of the D-back selections were wasted. Obviously a few of them weren't. Our FO has been horrible for quite some time, but being in Buffalo is a tough sell. I love the city , but it's what I knew growing up. If an FA is from a place with warm weather or a booming metropolis (NYC, CHI, LA etc.) what do we have to sell him on? We're not a big city team, a warm weather team, a well-managed team (one of the two things that we always have hope will change) or a team with a recent history of winning (that would be the other thing). While the over-selection of DB's is alarming, that was not because of the FA's it was because of crappy drafting, a staple of our FO to this point. Just my two cents. -
Who knows how these rookies, or any potential future free agent signings will pan out? Who knows? Maybe Bell could step up and really start to dominate as a LT. Anything can happen. The NFL every year has a team(s) that surprise people. Was pre-Bronco Brandon Marshall a much-hyped college WR, destined to go in the first round? Tom Brady? Andre Reed? Steve Tasker? Howard Ballard? Nate Odomes? How about Terrell Davis. Wasn't he drafted in something like the 6th round by Denver? Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd. It's a crap shoot. But this Bills front office has it right that these guys, once drafted have to then be developed by a competent staff. They have to be conditioned to compete, and mentally coached and prepared, and they have to have the athletic ability. They would not have gotten drafted if they could not play. I believe that we finally are putting the pieces in place to win. I don't think it will happen overnight, nor should anyone. But I think with 2-3 more drafts like this one, the Bills will not only be in the playoffs, but starting to assemble a core of players that will begin to march towards the Championship. As far as your arguments about free agents, there are so many variables going into that, too. Contracts being a big one. Bringing in somebody else's goods will offset your salary structure if your goal is to build through the draft and then reward your own. I think the way the Super Bowls built through the old Plan B is a perfect example of how we should acquire free agents. Players like Leonard Smith, James Lofton, Kenneth Davis, and John Davis are perfect examples of how free agency should go. I don't think that anyone can criticize any of those players, and they all added tremendous value to the franchise. They were hardly big names when they were brought in, but supported the team that the front office had already assembled through the draft. Free agents should be looked at as compliments to your team, not remedies.
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I'd like to see... Tim Hiller - QB, WMU (Big guy, seems to fit the pro mold) Kyle Jolly - OT, UNC (3 year starter at LT) Nate Collins - DT, UVA (Played NT in college 3-4) Brandon Minor - RB, MIC (Can't hurt to have more RB depth)
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The Eagles drafted Nate Allen. The Niners drafted Mays
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After three rounds, here are some questions/thoughts
satx_bills_fan replied to jahnyc's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
INEPT. None of the GMs had/have any idea of what they are doing. Here is a review how good teams are made, idiot. Buffalo Bills Draft History 2009 Rnd Name College Note 1 Aaron Maybin Penn State 1 Eric Wood Louisville 2 Jairus Byrd Oregon 2 Andy Levitre Oregon State 4 Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 5 Nic Harris Oklahoma 6 Cary Harris Southern Cal 7 Ellis Lankster West Virginia 2008 Rnd Name College Note 1 Leodis McKelvin Troy 2 James Hardy Indiana 3 Chris Ellis Virginia Tech 4 Reggie Corner Akron 4 Derek Fine Kansas 5 Alvin Bowen Iowa State 6 Xavier Omon Northwest Missouri State 7 Demetrius Bell Northwest State (LA) 7 Steve Johnson Kentucky 7 Kennard Cox Pittsburgh 2007 Rnd Name College Note 1 Marshawn Lynch California 2 Paul Posluszny Penn State 3 Trent Edwards Stanford 4 Dwayne Wright Fresno State 6 John Wendling Wyoming 7 Derek Schouman Boise State 7 C.J. Ah You Oklahoma 2006 Rnd Name College Note 1 Donte Whitner Ohio State 1 John McCargo North Carolina State 3 Ashton Youboty Ohio State 4 Ko Simpson South Carolina 5 Kyle Williams Louisiana State 5 Brad Butler Virginia 6 Keith Ellison Oregon State 7 Terrance Pennington New Mexico 7 Aaron Merz California 2005 Rnd Name College Note 2 Roscoe Parrish Miami (FL) 3 Kevin Everett Miami (FL) 4 Duke Preston Illinois 5 Eric King Wake Forest 6 Justin Geisinger Vanderbilt 7 Lionel Gates Louisville 2004 Rnd Name College Note 1 Lee Evans Wisconsin 1 J.P. Losman Tulane 3 Tim Anderson Ohio State 4 Tim Euhus Oregon State 7 Dylan McFarland Montana 7 Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech 2003 Rnd Name College Note 1 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) 2 Chris Kelsay Nebraska 3 Angelo Crowell Virginia 4 Terrence McGee Northwestern State 4 Sam Aiken North Carolina 5 Ben Sobieski Iowa 6 Lauvale Sape Utah 7 Mario Haggan Mississippi State 2002 Rnd Name College Note 1 Mike Williams Texas 2 Josh Reed Louisiana State 2 Ryan Denney Brigham Young 3 Coy Wire Stanford 5 Justin Bannan Colorado 6 Kevin Thomas UNLV 7 Mike Pucillo Auburn 7 Rodney Wright Fresno State 7 Jarrett Ferguson Virginia Tech 7 Dominique Stevenson Tennessee 2001 Rnd Name College Note 1 Nate Clements Ohio State 2 Aaron Schobel Texas Christian 2 Travis Henry Tennessee 3 Ron Edwards Texas A&M 3 Jonas Jennings Georgia 4 Brandon Spoon North Carolina 5 Marques Sullivan Illinois 6 Tony Driver Notre Dame 6 Dan O'Leary Notre Dame 6 Jimmy Williams Vanderbilt 7 Reggie Germany Ohio State 7 Tyrone Robertson Hinds J.C. (MI) 2000 Rnd Name College Note 1 Erik Flowers Arizona State 2 Travares Tillman Georgia Tech 3 Corey Moore Virginia Tech 4 Avion Black Tennessee State 5 Sammy Morris Texas Tech 6 Leif Larsen Texas-El Paso 7 Drew Haddad Buffalo 7 DaShon Polk Arizona 2009 Rnd Name College Note 1 Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State 4 Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 4 Stanley Arnoux Wake Forest 5 Thomas Morstead Southern Methodist 2008 Rnd Name College Note 1 Sedrick Ellis USC 2 Tracy Porter Indiana 5 DeMario Pressley North Carolina State 5 Carl Nicks Nebraska 6 Taylor Mehlhaff Wisconsin 7 Adrian Arrington Michigan 2007 Rnd Name College Note 1 Robert Meachem Tennessee 3 Usama Young Kent State 3 Andy Alleman Akron 4 Antonio Pittman Ohio State 4 Jermon Bushrod Towson 5 David Jones Wingate 7 Marvin Mitchell Tennessee 2006 Rnd Name College Note 1 Reggie Bush USC 2 Roman Harper Alabama 4 Jahri Evans Bloomsburg (PA) 5 Rob Ninkovich Purdue 6 Mike Hass Oregon State 6 Josh (Bernard) Lay Pittsburgh 7 Zach Strief Northwestern 7 Marques Colston Hofstra DREW BREES ACQUIRED 2005 Rnd Name College Note 1 Jammal Brown Oklahoma 2 Josh Bullocks Nebraska 3 Alfred Fincher Connecticut 4 Chase Lyman California 5 Adrian McPherson Florida State 6 Jason Jefferson Wisconsin 7 Jimmy Verdon Arizona State 2004 Rnd Name College Note 1 Will Smith Ohio State 2 Devery Henderson Louisiana State 2 Courtney Watson Notre Dame 5 Rodney Leisle UCLA 5 Mike Karney Arizona State 7 Colby Bockwoldt Brigham Young 2003 Rnd Name College Note 1 Johnathan Sullivan Georgia 2 Jonathan Stinchcomb Georgia 3 Willie Grant (Cie) Ohio State 4 Montrae Holland Florida State 5 Melvin Williams Kansas State 6 Kareem Kelly USC 7 Talman Gardner Florida State 2002 Rnd Name College Note 1 Donte Stallworth Tennessee 1 Charles Grant Georgia 2 LeCharles Bentley Ohio State 3 James Allen Oregon State 4 Keyuo Craver Nebraska 5 Mel Mitchell Western Kentucky 6 J.T. O'Sullivan California-Davis 6 John Gilmore Penn State 7 Derrius Monroe Virginia Tech 2001 Rnd Name College Note 1 Deuce McAllister Mississippi 3 Sedrick Hodge North Carolina 3 Kenny Smith Alabama 4 Moran Norris Kansas 5 Onomoe Ojo California-Davis 6 Mitch White Oregon State 7 Ennis Davis USC -
nate allen
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Nate Allen is one of my favorite safeties in this years class. He's a gamer and makes a lot of plays on the ball (way more than Mays). He would be too much of a luxury pick for the Bills at #41, though. I'd prefer a defender in the front 7 or OL with that pick.
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Things to keep an eye out for
dwight in philly replied to Estro's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
i know we arent in need of a safety, but nate allen is the real deal.. hate to pass on him,im sure they will. -
1. The Bears covet Nate Allen (Safety from South Florida). He's still on the board, but could be the next safety off the board. Doesn't have the fame of Taylor Mays, but is probably more ready to play now. Without a 2nd round pick the Bears will more than likely have to move up to land Allen. Now news breaks there shopping several of their LB's to add picks. I think the Bears will make an aggresive trade up to land their man.....Nate Allen. 2. I think it's more likely the Bills trade back then up this round. I suspect the Bills are high on Eric Norwood, who would be a bit of a reach at #41, but may not be there at #72. By moving back and picking up an extra 3rd-4th they could land Norwood at a more reasonable slot. 3. Yesterday when the Chargers made the huge moveup to #12 I was sure it was to land Dan Williams. Wrong. I suspected for a long time that SD liked Jeff Owens to replace Jamaal Williams as NT. Now without a 2nd round pick, I think the Chargers will really be hoping to see Owens on the board when they pick in Round 3. A.J. Smith has clearly been reaching for needs the last few years so don't be surprised to see SD move up again and target their desired NT. 4. Let's hope the Pats don't turn one of their 2nd round picks into a 2011 1st round pick.
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Nope. We are only taking the BPA... Nate Allen S South Florida. Enjoy!
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I hope the Bills don't go LOT or QB in the top 10. There's just way too much money tied into those positions when they are selected that high. Especially when they have so much potential with their own young players in Demetrius Bell and Brian Brohm. I hope the Bills trade down and take Terrence Cody late in the first round. Some might argue that he is a one trick pony but that is what we need in this system. We need a man mountain nose tackle thats not going to give any ground, and has the ability to dominate in the middle. Dan Williams isn't as good in short situations or against power running schemes. And the fact that he's a better pass rusher than Cody isn't a big deal in our 3-4. Maybe the Bills could pick up a 2nd in the trade like they did when they nailed it with Nate Clements, Aaron Schobel, and Travis Henry. Maybe they could land CB Devin McCourty and ILB Sean Lee.
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Schefter on Mike and Mike.....Bills/Tebow
richNjoisy replied to Deep2Moulds46's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
The best deal I can remember was with Tampa when they traded up to grab the top tackle....I forget his name but he ended up a bust - the Bills got Travis Henry with the extra pick and nabbed Nate Clements with the Tampa pick. so it HAS worked before....... -
Decided to keep my tradition going for another year. Here is the first 3 rounds of my mock draft with the rest to follow later today. Have at thee: Pick Team Player Pos College 1 (1) Rams Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma 2 (2) Lions Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 3 (3) Buccaneers Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma 4 (4) Redskins Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 5 (5) Chiefs Eric Berry S Tennessee 6 (6) Seahawks Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 7 (7) Browns Derrick Morgan DE/LB Georgia Tech 8 (8) Raiders Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 9 (9) Bills Dan Williams NT Tennessee 10 (10) Jaguars Earl Thomas S Texas 11 (11) Broncos (From Bears) Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State 12 (12) Dolphins Brandon Graham OLB Michigan 13 (13) 49ers Joe Haden CB Florida 14 (14) Seahawks (From Broncos) CJ Spiller RB Clemson 15 (15) Giants Rolando McClain ILB Alabama 16 (16) Titans Jason Pierre-Paul DE USF 17 (17) 49ers (From Panthers) Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 18 (18) Steelers Maurkice Pouncey OC/G Florida 19 (19) Falcons Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 20 (20) Texans Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 21 (21) Bengals Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 22 (22) Patriots Jerry Hughes OLB TCU 23 (23) Packers Mike Iupati OT/G Idaho 24 (24) Eagles Kyle Wilson CB Boise State 25 (25) Ravens Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech 26 (26) Cardinals Sean Weatherspoon LB Missouri 27 (27) Cowboys Charles Brown OT USC 28 (28) Chargers Ryan Matthews RB Fresno State 29 (29) Jets Everson Griffen DE USC 30 (30) Vikings Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame 31 (31) Colts Jared Odrick DT Penn State 32 (32) Saints Taylor Mays S USC 1 (33) Rams Golden Tate WR Notre Dame 2 (34) Lions Rodger Saffold OT Indiana 3 (35) Buccaneers Devin McCourty CB Rutgers 4 (36) Chiefs Tyson Alualu DE USC 5 (37) Eagles (From Redskins) Daryl Washington OLB TCU 6 (38) Browns Colt McCoy QB Texas 7 (39) Raiders Brian Price DT UCLA 8 (40) Chargers (From Seahawks) Terrence Cody NT Alabama 9 (41) Bills Bruce Campbell OT Maryland 10 (42) Buccaneers (From Bears) Arrelious Benn WR Illinois 11 (43) Broncos (From Dolphins) Vladmir Ducasse OG Massachusetts 12 (44) Patriots (From Jaguars) Jahvid Best RB Cal 13 (45) Broncos Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 14 (46) Giants Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 15 (47) Patriots (From Titans) Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona 16 (48) Panthers Lamarr Houston DT Texas 17 (49) 49ers Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State 18 (50) Chiefs (From Falcons) Eric Decker WR Minnesota 19 (51) Texans Toby Gerhart RB Stanford 20 (52) Steelers Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 21 (53) Patriots Sean Lee ILB Penn State 22 (54) Bengals Linval Joseph DT East Carolina 23 (55) Eagles Jon Asamoah OG Illinois 24 (56) Packers Koa Misi OLB Utah 25 (57) Ravens Chris Cook CB Virginia 26 (58) Cardinals Damian Williams WR USC 27 (59) Cowboys Nate Allen S USF 28 (60) Seahawks (From Chargers) Corey Wootton DE Northwestern 29 (61) Jets Eric Norwood OLB South Carolina 30 (62) Vikings Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forest 31 (63) Colts Thaddeus Gibson OLB Ohio State 32 (64) Saints Geno Atkins DT Georgia 1 (65) Rams Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 2 (66) Lions Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State 3 (67) Buccaneers Austen Lane DE Murray State 4 (68) Chiefs Cam Thomas NT North Carolina 5 (69) Raiders Ricky Sapp DE/LB Clemson 6 (70) Eagles (From Seahawks) Dexter McCluster RB Ole Miss 7 (71) Browns Jason Worilds OLB Virginia Tech 8 (72) Bills Tim Tebow QB Florida 9 (73) Dolphins Torell Troup NT UCF 10 (74) Jaguars Taylor Price WR Ohio 11 (75) Bears Jerome Murphy CB USF 12 (76) Giants John Jerry OG Ole Miss 13 (77) Titans Brandon LaFell WR LSU 14 (78) Panthers Jordan Shipley WR Texas 15 (79) 49ers Carlton Mitchell WR USF 16 (80) Broncos Dennis Pitta TE BYU 17 (81) Texans Al Woods DT LSU 18 (82) Steelers Joe McKnight RB USC 19 (83) Falcons Zane Beadles OG Utah 20 (84) Bengals Morgan Burnett FS Georgia Tech 21 (85) Browns (From Patriots through Raiders) Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee 22 (86) Packers Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale 23 (87) Eagles Brandon Lang DE Troy 24 (88) Cardinals (From Ravens) Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma 25 (89) Cardinals Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati 26 (90) Cowboys Donald Butler ILB Washington 27 (91) Chargers Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana PA 28 (92) Browns (From Jets) Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss 29 (93) Vikings Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 30 (94) Colts Selvish Capers OL West Virginia 31 (95) Saints Dekoda Watson OLB Florida State 32 (96) Bengals (Compensatory selection) Emmanuel Sanders WR SMU 33 (97) Titans (Compensatory selection) Myron Lewis FS Vanderbilt 34 (98) Falcons (Compensatory selection) Jermaine Cunningham DE Florida
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In a scenario where you like a player but project that he'll be available at a later pick, a trade down should be done if possible to get the most of a any particular draft year. An example of what I mean is 2001 when the Bills wanted Nate Clements. The held the 14th pick, but traded down to 21 and still got him while getting an extra pick. That's the "right way" to game the draft.