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The issue is not Obama, nor birtherism, nor fake news, it is the continuing trump lies, from day 1.

Trump wasn't even close to the first. You'd be surprised to learn who first started birtherism. And I have no doubt that Obama claimed to have been born in Kenya on college applications and such. But was actually born in Hawaii. Not that I would have cared if he had been born in Kenya because his mother was an American citizen.

In fairness to CoffeeforClosers, he didn't (in that post) accuse anyone of pedophilia. Here's the point to this Epstein business. For years MAGA has floated these wild conspiracy theories it used to brainwash a significant part of the populous and, more importantly, to demonize a significant part of the populous. The Epstein issue, and perhaps the Obama birther dreck, were at the center of the whole operation. Epstein arguably transcends birtherism, though. Epstein, at its core, is about elites abusing the vulnerable. My take on MAGA is that it sees itself not as those children, but as somewhat similar vulnerables who have been abused in different ways by the same elites. Whether there's validity to that is debatable. (Nobody sat there and made a lot of those people not study in school, not go to work, not eat green vegetables, and not put down the bottle, etc.). Now, in covering up this sore that festered for years and years, Trump is more easily associated with those elites. (I get that he's always been one of them, but that's besides the point.) The binders, according to MAGA, exist. The list, according to MAGA, exists. And yet the information won't be made public because, apparently after all these years, Trump discovered that it was written by Obama, Hillary, etc. Trump has been absurd for a long time, but this might be the most asinine thing he's done and the most ridiculous lie that he has told. I enjoy watching MAGA get twisted in knots figuring out how to reconcile this sort of "original sin" lie. I also hope it shatters his support. Not that I disagree with people who want a fair shot at life, and who feel like the middle class has been strip mined for decades. But so the solution to their problems isn't this dictatorial, ill-prepared, nasty doddering old fool who doesn't actually have the interests of anyone other than his own at heart.

Every single word in the list below is verifiably true. The steadfast refusal of leftist scum to acknowledge these undeniable facts over the years is responsible for 75% of my ignore list. The only part below that isn't fact and where I wholeheartedly disagree is the offering of an olive branch to deranged leftists. Never. Fuk.c that. Dear Democrats: Hey. How’ve you been? It’s been a rough 25 years. It feels like ever since that hanging chad election in 2000, we have been at each others’ throats. Mostly this is because we’ve let the hyperbole and the wild conspiracy theories control us on both sides. Now I say that is 80% you and 20% us (because you control the media), and we’ve done our fair share with Birthers and Big Mikers, but the bottom line is that neither side trusts what the other side says. That’s a shame. I get why you may not trust us. But you are going to have to on what we are about to tell you. Sometimes objective truths need to be said, and we’re about to say them. Buckle up Buttercups. What you are about to read is 100%, verifiably true: 1. In the 2016 presidential election, the Hillary Clinton campaign fabricated out of the ether a wholly fictional “dossier” alleging that Donald Trump was an agent of the Russian Federation. 2. This “dossier” was shared with intelligence and law enforcement agencies in the friendly Obama Administration, and treated as reliable intelligence even though those agencies knew it was highly suspect. 3. This wholly-fabricated “dossier” was then used as a legal basis for surveillance and wiretaps on members of the Trump Team before and after the election, and the communications equipment in the Trump Transition Team HQ in New York was in fact wiretapped by the Obama Administration. 4. After the election was over and Trump had won, the intelligence community determined that there was no material Russian interference in the election. Barack Obama directed them to reverse that finding. 5. This new, false finding, coupled with the ongoing concerns regarding the dossier became the bases for a concerted effort by the Obama Administration to prevent Donald Trump from ever taking office, even though the American people had just elected him. The ongoing Potemkin Villages of the dossier and the IC report were the bases for numerous unlawful warrants on the Trump team, the creation of interview traps where Trump members might incriminate themselves by making a false statement to the FBI, and generally encircling the entire Trump transition team via subterfuge and placing them in a public aura of an illegal enterprise and not a validly-elected administration. 6. With the Obama plan unable to prevent Trump from taking office, his loyalists who remained in the new Trump Administration did their very best to work towards removing Trump via scandal, with James Comey being the chief bagman via the bogus dossier. 7. While everything described above was happening, it was all being leaked to the media in an effort to discredit and cripple the Trump Administration. Often bogus information would be fed to a media source, the source would report it, and then the fact that the media reported the bogus information was used by Democrat operatives as a basis for legitimizing it, i.e. “the wrap up smear.” 8. All of the above became such a burden on the new Trump Administration that a special prosecutor, Robert Mueller, was appointed to cut through to the truth. Unfortunately Mueller was relying on the same fake dossier and bogus IC reports, so bogus data led to a bogus investigation that served no other purpose than to cripple the Trump Administration for two years. 9. To summarize points #1 through #8 above, the Obama/Hillary plan had three steps: (i) spread Russia lies so Trump loses the election; (ii) if Trump wins the election, spread Russia lies so he is never inaugurated; and (iii) if he is inaugurated, spread Russia lies to cripple his ability to govern. 10. After Trump lost in 2020 and he started indicating that he would run again, the Obama team, now with Biden installed in the White House as a puppet, knew they could not let him win as he would unravel what they had done, make it public, and potentially cause a bunch of them to end up in prison. So they coordinated lawfare attacks on Trump across the nation using Democrat operatives, thinking that Trump would end up in prison or his reputation would be in such tatters that he could never be elected. That backfired. 11. Trump got elected in 2024. 12. On July 18, 2025, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard released a treasure trove of heretofore hidden information which, alongside already-public information about the fake dossier, shows that everything we say above is 100%, inarguably, reliably, factually, objectively accurate. We repeat, everything written above is VERIFIABLY, OBJECTIVELY TRUE. We know you love to say how much you “love democracy.” Do you? Do you REALLY “love democracy"? What is described above is the most undemocratic thing imaginable. Forget any arguments about whether something was criminal or the statute of limitations or whatever other technicality distractor gets thrown out there, we have a very simple question for you: HOW CAN YOU TOLERATE THIS? Please consider this letter a peace offering. If you are willing to acknowledge what transpired and offer an apology, we might be able to begin to trust each just a teeny bit. We are all Americans, after all. Sincerely, The American Coalition of Non-Smoothbrained Conservatives

She also invented birtherism.

There has never been evidence that Clinton or her campaign started the birther rumors,” said Ben Smith, editor in chief of BuzzFeed, who as a POLITICO reporter in 2011 linked the origin of the “birther” movement to a fringe politician in Illinois. Some hardcore Clinton backers circulated the rumors in 2008, but the campaign itself steered clear. “As we reported, some of her supporters flirted with the idea in 2008 — but it has its origins in the fever swamps beginning in Illinois in 2004,” he said. In fact, birtherism, as it’s been called, reportedly began with innuendo by serial Illinois political candidate Andy Martin, who painted Obama as a closet Muslim in 2004. That spiraled into a concerted effort by conspiracy theorists to raise doubts about Obama’s birthplace and religion — and essentially paint him as un-American. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304 no you don’t. citizenship is granted to children of US citizens google it

You are aware of who originated the birther movement, right? It wasn't Trump. It was Hillary during her primary against Obama.

Ok. I'm not the type of guy who believes in omnipotent cabals, illuminati's, new world orders, birtherism, Russian Collusion, (interference has been proven), Sandy Hook nonsense, 9/11 "truthers." Any of it. I personally think people give far too much credit to the "powers that be." It matters not whether these theories emanate from the left side of the aisle or the right. Maybe some of these things are true. I don't know. Nor do you or anyone else on this board, and I say that respectfully. I view these THEORIES much the same way I view God; until someone can PROVE a positive, I'm going to believe a negative. But that's just me.

Team Bernie: Asking about the medical records of a 78-year-old who just had a heart attack is the same as…birtherism .

I wouldn’t trust any of these people to walk my dog. 1. Birther 2, 3, 4. silver spooners who did nothing on their own 5. former CNBC host 6. laughing stock 7. told us in January, China's economic weakness would inure to our benefit.

Birther Conspiracy II how far will the luny right go? Joe and the Hoe? Seriously it is ####ing disgraceful

I just looked up it up. Actually it was from a Newsweek article. Kind of like how the whole birther thing was started by Hilly.

? Birthers.............Birthers................BIRTHERS !

“There are good people on both sides.” Retweets, i.e., Florida retirement community. Hurling paper towels at Puerto Ricans. The “Wuhan virus.” Scapegoating Mexico for the spread of the virus that Trump downplayed. The renewed birther lies. Support for Confederate symbols. The ill-timed Tulsa rally. And that’s just off the top of my head.

12. Barack Obama. How could I forget? Maybe if he was actually born in the United States, we wouldn’t have had to have wasted time on this whole birther thing. What. A. Jerk.

I guess I shouldn't have said that. Just trying to understand what life will look like next year. You know, without the Obama birther or Trump grabbing talk. Really, I was trying to understand where RRob was coming from. What do you see next year?

Every single one of your points is a lie, disproven here previously. Hillary colluded with Russia and also created the Birther Movement. The DOJ is supposedly looking into Biden & his son based on some awfully suspicious circumstances and Biden's admission of blackmailing Ukraine officials. Trump pushed for prison reform and got it through. This mainly affected blacks. Trump has threatened to put down violence, not start it. Now wtf did you post that video to prove?

Did you type that with a straight face? Trump: Conspired with Russia Is currently using the DOJ to try to take down Biden via his son Created the Birther movement against Obama Has discriminated against minorities as a professional sport over the course of a lifetime https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history Trump has threatened riots and violence on multiple occasions, as well as praising those that do it https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-warns-supporters-may-riot-fears-violence-escalate-n540516

Time for Biden to go NUCLEAR - wasn’t that the classy term you used the night RBG died? Charlottesville Central Park 5 Birtherism And so on: Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

Trump placed ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent. He never apologized. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for the New Yorker. Trump promotrd birtherism. “You know, you don’t want to live with them either.” - Trump referring to black people. Trump talked about how he didn’t want black people handling his money; he wanted the guys with the yarmulkes. There are good people on both sides. In 1973, Trump and his company Trump Management were sued by the Department of Justice for housing discrimination against African-American renters. Trump launched his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech in which he spoke about illegal Mexican immigrants: "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." He said that a judge with "Mexican heritage" should be disqualified from deciding cases against him. In 2016, he claimed he knew nothing about David Duke. There is evidence that contradicts this.

Let's get something straight. When someone from your nationalist crowd blows the racist dog whistle (e.g., there's a lot of good people on both sides in Charlottesville! or the Muslim travel ban! or birtherism!) the typical response is something along the lines of "he didn't literally say he's a racist or that he has a prejudice, so therefore he isn't and there is no merit to your wild accusation of racism! The shield of literalism is applied, if you will. In this instance, however, literalism apparently is to be discarded because it suits your purpose. When Trump or one of his mouthpieces says something like the Democrat-run "cities are burning," we check literalism at the door and revert to hyperbole because it suits your purpose. What cities (plural) currently are on fire in their totality? Because remember, it's not just a few buildings here and there that can be on fire. It's the "cit[y]," meaning the entirety of the political subdivision. And it has to be on fire now, at this very moment. Otherwise, it's just another shameless lie and shameless exaggeration from a shameless president propagated by the shameless apologists, like you, who follow him. You're the only one talking about a psychotic episode. Unless you mean the claim that multiple democrat-run cities are burning as we speak is psychotic. In which case, I would suggest dealing with the psychosis by not saying (or defending) psychotic things. Oh! And goodness gracious it looks like you posted a misleading link about insurance. Turns out the article you cited deals with things like the inability to procure coverage for damage caused by strike, riot, or civil unrest. Things that, as I'm sure you well know, can catalyze loss without the use of flame, and in the absence of a riot.

I had a long drive back in the early 90's and listened to him alot....back then he was halfway relevant....History shows he is the Pied Piper of the great derailment of the GOP since then... No....the lies he had do constitute hate....lied about women, birtherism, when you lie to create a different reality....it aint coming from love.... Our country is not better for his presence....you can trace Jan 6 pretty much back to him

What you see as Trump spending 2 1/2 years clearing his name from his association with Russia is seen by people who think for themselves as Democrats spending 2 1/2 years desperately patching holes in a lie that falls apart -- almost weekly now - in hopes of keeping Average Joe from realizing how the whole thing started in the first place. You folks are the left's answer to birthers, and outside your little Twitter/MSN/CNN/Google echo chamber, the world thinks you guys are ridiculous. Remember this post when you find out that trying to impeach Trump is the reason you'll watch his second inauguration.

Starting to? It's infuriating from a left leaning purview. I was watching a Nixon Doc and one line really stood out. An adviser was informing Nixon of the escalating protests. His resonse; "Good. Every obscenity is worth 1,000 votes." Politically speaking, outrage has one beneficiary and it ain't the outraged. I must add that the birther stuff clearly HELPED Obama politically. (I understand he's not popular around here.) If you're on the right and tepid about Trump, you're far more likely to show up in 2020 based on these shenanigans. By the same token, tepid Dems were likely motivated to actually vote based on some of the more far fetched attacks. I think collusion truthers(and yes birthers) are a lost cause. There's really no helping them. Trump Deranged Dems may as well just run around literally shooting themselves in the foot at this point. And they're STILL stuck on obstruction. Considering this has become a political/non legal battle, who in God's name is going to attack someone for "obstructing" an investigation into a crime that didn't occur? It's just not logical. Alan Dershowitz has been a bastion of hope for the left throughout this entire ordeal.

At some point, you'd think they'd exercise some restraint and introspection, and realize "My God, we're starting to sound like Birthers and Truthers."