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I'm guessing that you were sleeping during the game last Sunday too? I actually gave him a shout-out in the Game Balls thread, as he was very active against the Jets, and yes, made a number of plays.

I'm definitely not worried about Mac Jones right now (this season). He's playing very well, but he's a rookie. The Pats as a whole though, yeah, there is a little bit of nervousness about them (mostly based on Belichick and bad memories of their past dominance over us). But, there is no question that the Bills are the more talented team and not just a team with talent, but a tight-knit, well-coached team, all pulling in the same direction. Can the Pats beat the Bills? Sure, it's the NFL---a week-to-week league. But if we played the Pats 10 times, I think Buffalo wins 7 or 8 out of 10 at this point. I don't think Bills fans can use last year as any example that the tides have finally turned completely over though, as it was the first year without Brady, an old, beat-up QB, and lots of injuries and COVID opt outs for the Pats. What happened last year has nothing to do with this year. But I also don't think Pats fans can use schedule or who each team has beaten as any measure of being superior to the Bills. Neither team has been tested much yet and the majority of both teams' wins came against easy opponents (either because the teams were bad, rookie QBs, or reeling, missing key players when they played them). Too many factors to claim either the Bills or Pats have an edge in schedule. The AFC East just had an easy schedule overall, based on the other divisions we had to play. I do expect the Pats games to be tough though. They aren't going to roll over by any means. It's basically one game at a time at this point. But as a Bills fan, I really look to the next 3 weeks as giving us a clearer picture, and if the Bills take care of business, they should be sitting pretty. If we beat the Colts this weekend (which could be a tough game), then take care of business against Siemien and the Saints on Thanksgiving, we will enter the MNF game against the Pats at 8-3. The Pats have to play Tennessee next week. I think they will lose to the Titans. Which would put them at 7-5 entering MNF. We should be favored to win at home in Primetime. Our boys get up for PrimeTime games, it's at home with the fans, and on 10 days rest. So, I think we should take that one. Which would set the records at 9-3 Bills, 7-6 Pats. That would basically be a 3 game lead for the division (with the Bills having the tie-breaker at that point) and the Pats would only have 4 games left to make that up. So, even if the Pats won out (including the rematch with Buffalo) to be 11-6, that means the Bills would need to lose 4 of their last 5 games...or 3 of their last 5 if the Jets was one of the losses. So, that means we would need to lose to the Jets, NE, and either TB/Car/Atl. Or lose to NE, TB, Carolina, and Atlanta (all 4 of them). (We would still have the division record tie-breaker if both teams end up with 11 wins and split their two games---unless the Bills lose to the Jets on the last regular season game.) So, if the Bills just take care of business the next 3 weeks, the Pats shouldn't be a problem. But let's go get the Colts first! Go Bills!

Always hard to give out game balls in a total team effort when so many players played well. I mean 6 TDs and 5 TOs...everyone was involved... and I don't know that he deserves a game ball, but I would like to at least give a shout out to Harrison Phillips. Had a very good game filling in for Star, who was a late scratch. And Efe Obada deserves a shoutout too (very active on the D-line).

I'm still not sold on the running game issues being a personnel-only issue. I don't think inserting Breida alone, for instance, will help. Sure, a stud running back or better O-linemen could definitely help, but first of all, that is not going to happen (at least not right now) and secondly, I think the players we have can get it done (especially when Brown and Feliciano are back)...at least well enough to keep defenses honest, which they aren't doing right now. I think it is more so a focus, attitude, and rhythm issue (which really all kind of roll into one). Focus, meaning both how many running plays Daboll/Josh call and how much they practice it. As has been pointed out by Cover1 and others, a lot of running plays have broken down due to missed assignments, etc. If they aren't repping the plays enough in practice (because they won't be running as many in the game), then not only do you leave the window open for mistakes, but you also don't develop a real feel and confidence in the running game. And that accumulates over the year. Let's say you rep your most common running play either twice or five times for a game. Well at the end of the year (come playoff time), that is a difference between repping the play 34 times or 85 times across the season. Which team will be better ready if they have to run it in a playoff game? Attitude: When pass blocking, you are on your heels, retreating or just trying to hold your ground. Run blocking, you have to either fire off the ball and attack, or you are pulling and looking for a man to plaster. It is a completely different attitude you must have. And again, not only does it need to be practiced, but more importantly, it needs to be established in a game. If the majority of the time you are pass blocking and then 4 times a quarter you call a run play (and not even on consecutive plays), it is hard to just pull that attitude out of nowhere when needed. It has to be like second nature. Rhythm: Both O-linemen and running backs are better when they can get in a rhythm with the run game and to do that, you have to keep at it. Again, if there are 4 carries per quarter (which is about what the Bills are averaging, as far as RB touches) and Moss and Singletary are splitting time, that means each back gets two carries/quarter, 8 or 9 carries in a game. And there have been many games over the last two years where a RB doesn't even touch the ball until the late-first or 2nd quarter. No RB or O-line can get a feel for a game and get in a rhythm like that. The Bills' running backs (not counting Josh's carries here) currently have 145 carries over 8 games. As a for instance, Derrick Henry alone had 219 carries over 8 games. The Cleveland backs have 235 carries over 9 games (averaged out to 8 games = 209 carries). Green Bay has 202 RB carries in 9 games (averaged out to 8 games = 180). Just supposin' here: I wonder if Daboll's time in New England affects how he feels and the attention he gives to the running game. He spent 10 of Brady's 19 years in NE coaching for the Pats. In those 19 years, they only had 5 RBs go over 1,000 yards for a season. Eight of those 19 years, they were a below league-average rushing team. And another 5 years, they were only 5-6 yards per game above the league average. Over those 19 years, the Pats averaged 1,852 rushing yards/season. For 2020 and 2021 (pro-rated), the Bills RBs are averaging 1,819 rushing yards/season. [Maybe just a coincidence.] Don't get me wrong, I'm not down on Daboll, I think he's an excellent OC, I'm just wondering if he needs to rethink things a bit. As we know, the Pats won for years without a stud RB or top-tier running game. So, maybe that is partly in Daboll's mindset. With one difference being, Josh and Tom are different QBs. Tom got the ball out super fast. Josh likes to hold for the big plays and can get impatient taking what the defense gives him (he's done it well before, but we have seem him not do it on a number of occasions too). Now, I'm not putting that on Josh's shoulders or blaming him for it. I don't want Josh to try and change who he is too much. I am just thinking that since he is different from Tom, we need to establish more of a running game than the Pats ever needed to. Tom could keep defenses honest with short, quick-hitting passes to the slot and RBs, which would eventually open up the deeper throws. But that is not Josh's game, he's uncomfortable doing that for too long, so we need to develop the run game instead to open it up when we are seeing these types of defenses, when teams have the DBs and D-line personnel to pull it off. Of course, I'm just speculating here (like everyone else). I have no idea what happens or what they focus on in Bills' meetings and practices. But I just wonder if getting stubborn and determined with the run game, both in practice and the games, could make a big difference. Make it a pride issue. Maybe that is what McDermott is stepping in to do. I just think back to the New England game last year. They went into that game planning to run it down their throats, and they did. I think they can do it, they just need to focus on it more and figure out how to make it complement the passing game, rather than just being more of a decoy. I'm not saying they will all of a sudden become a top 10 running team or anything, but I think these players can definitely turn it around enough to open up the offense again. Why didn't McDermott step in sooner? Maybe because, for the most part, last year it was working (until the Championship game). Then this year we have the Steelers game. Well, week 1, crazy stuff happens. Then the Tennessee game comes. Very good team, still had a chance to win. Ok. Miami, first half looked bad, but we pulled it together in the second half. Ok, maybe the team learned their lesson and we are headed back in the right direction. Jaguars game. Ok, that's it. Something has to change. But yes, whatever the current offensive woes are, I believe it to be more of a coaching issue than a personnel issue. JMO

Not Beane/McDermott material/DNA. Not a position we need help at. Not good for team chemistry. Has missed 42 of his last 80 games due to injury. Has only scored 16 TDs over the last 5 seasons. And although a good portion of this is due to being injured, over the last 5 season, he is averaging 40 yards/gm and 644 yards and 3.5 TDs per season. Do you really want to pay top dollar for that production? [To be fair, I will include his averages for only the games he played---which is less than half of the games---over the past 5 years. So, for the games he played, he is averaging 65 yards and 0.35 TDs/game. Or prorated to a 16-game season, that would be 1,040 yards and 5.6 TDs. Not bad, but how much do you want to pay for that production knowing the problem child he is and that he can't stay healthy---you may only get half of that production per year). Plus, there was the Giants/Bills game a few years back where twice in the game, he threw a sucker punch at a Bills player (didn't get flagged for either of them of course) and then ran and hid behind his offensive linemen when the Bills players looked to retaliate. Punk. And you can't compare OBJ with Diggs. Diggs made one little stink when he wanted to get traded, but then bucked up and played hard anyway. Everyone in Minnesota liked Diggs (except maybe Cousins), they all said he was a great teammate, worked hard, etc. There were never any incidents before that. OBJ has been a mess from the day he walked in the league. Multiple issues every season of his career. It is non-stop diva stuff with OBJ. Diggs never played Diva, he just wanted out of Minnesota. I want nothing to do with OBJ. And I don't think the Bills would seriously entertain the idea.

A positive aspect of possibly having some big or blowout wins against some of the weaker teams is that it may give our depth players some more playing time/action, which could actually help at the end of the season if we sustain any injuries or those players are called on at some point in a critical moment. Our depth may have more confidence and be more battle tested come playoff time. And I'm not too worried about the starters being battle-tested. Most of the team is the same as last year and they went through a lot of battles together last year, plus the Pitt, KC, and Tenn games this year were battles. Even if KC isn't what they were, that was a huge mental hurdle for this team. The two losses will keep the team humble and hungry (not buying into their own hype, not being over confident), while the big wins over weaker opponents will give them their swagger. Plus, the Tampa game will be a big pre-postseason test/measuring stick. They'll know who they are and what they need to do heading into the playoffs. So, no, I'm not really worried about it...especially with the coaching staff that we have (McD will keep them on track).

Ralph obviously blamed DeHaven, but did the players? And DeHaven has passed away, so Marcellus wouldn't be currently worried about his mental health.

Maybe he was in the Flutie camp and so is referring to Rob Johnson (but if memory serves, Rob played fairly well in the game and we had a chance to win---though I thought and wanted Flutie to start that game too). Otherwise, I doubt he would be singling out, say, one special teamer...saying it was their fault (on that particular play). It seemed the whole ST blew that play...but I guess there could have been one ST player who was meant to play (final) contain and left his post. Other options: He could put that game on the refs for not calling it a forward pass...but the mental health part of that question wouldn't really make sense then. The refs in that game were worried about their physical health (not their mental health) if they had disallowed the TD in a hostile Tenn atmosphere.

Yeah, definitely put this L on the defense, but let's not forget... The Titans have one of the best RBs ever. He's about to lead the league in rushing for the third straight season. That has only been done by 4 backs in history: Steve Van Burren, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, and Emmitt Smith---all of whom are in the Hall of Fame. His three year stretch is better than Terrell Davis' 3-year stretch that got him into the Hall. This guy is a shoo-in HOFer. They also have Julio...first ballot HOFer; A.J. Brown who is a bonafide stud receiver (2,126 yds and 20 TDs in his first two years in the league); and an above average QB. That is a very talented team we just played, in their building, looking for a statement win with their two returning stud receivers going up against "the best team in the AFC" as we were being called. They were highly motivated. I thought the Bills would pull it out, but it's not like we were playing against scrubs by any means. So I'm not going to be too hard on the defense. It was a great game and we came up inches short. I was 60/40 on kicking the field goal at the end, but don't fault McD at all for going for the win. A couple years ago, people were saying they wish McDermott would have more of a killer instinct and not play it safe. Well he was aggressive and we lost. Honestly, no shame in this loss. Very disappointing, but in the long run, probably not that big a deal (unless home field comes down to us and Tenn at the end of the year). Once again, this loss will keep the team humble and hungry throughout the bye week and not buy into their own hype. Go rest, retool, and come out guns blazing the rest of the season. Just wish we could have gotten the win to rub the stupid "Homerun throwback" attempt in Vrable's face. What an arrogant Fn call. Go Bills!

Yeah, that one threw me for a loop too. I rewound the dvr like three times to try and figure it out. The best I can make of it is they assessed the penalty from the end of the run, since the hold was out in front of the play (rather than a hold behind that sprang the runner). And since the runner made it 5 yards past the first down marker, they moved back 10 yards from there (so 5 yards behind the marker). And then I guess, is a hold an automatic first down? So they take away the first down the runner got with the assessed penalty, but give them the automatic first down from the new spot...and then the first down marker is now only 5 yards away. That's what I think they did, but I'm still not so sure they were correct in that. Feels like either the whole play should come back and then be first and 20. Or if they were correct in assessing the penalty from the end of the run, then their spot was correct, but the automatic first down, should have made it a first and 10 from there. It should be a reset. You don't keep the old first down marker where it was do you? Diggs and McDermott were both fuming on the sideline after that play, so I assume that the refs screwed up. I'm surprised I haven't seen the play mentioned before you did goldenboy81. I would also love to hear the explanation for it.

Agree. One "conspiracy" angle could be that they aren't scripting games, but they do want them to be close. For instance, this was the marquise matchup of the week. I'm sure marketing-wise, they would have loved a close, back-and-forth shootout that everyone was talking about Monday morning (like the Chargers/Browns game). But then the Bills came in on fire. Well, you could make a couple of calls for the Chiefs at opportune moments to at least keep the game interesting/closer, but then when it looks like the bad calls could actually change what seemed to be an obvious outcome (a Bills win), you compensate back the other way. [Though, by the rule, I also think the roughing the passer call against Josh was legit.] That way, the game is more interesting, but hopefully, the team that should win still does. I don't think the NFL does this for all games, but for the big games, I could definitely see that as a possibility. There are, however, times when I think there is or has been team-bias from refs (especially with the Brady-led Pats), but I definitely don't think that's what was going on last night.

I had Sanders in a keeper fantasy football league for 4 years when he was in Denver. So, I used to watch him quite a bit and I used to tell people all of the time (when they overlooked or down-played him) that Emmanuel Sanders is a stud/dog. He never came out of my lineup (except when injured). He had two monster seasons with Peyton throwing him the ball, but he also had a big year and made the pro bowl after Peyton left, with his QBs being Trevor Siemian and Paxton Lynch. (And we all know that even Peyton's last season, was not vintage Peyton.) Then he dealt with a few injuries (and poor QB play/declining team) and he seemed to fall off most people's radars. (Despite having an almost 75% catch rate, 726 yds, and 5 TDs with NO last year in 14 games with only 5 starts.) So glad it's working out for him here in Buffalo. (He may be that last piece that puts this offense over the top, the way Lofton did when he came to the 90s team.) As far as who shines on offense each week, I think it will be a week-to-week thing depending on opponent and how they are trying to slow us down. Early this season, teams have been trying to shut down Diggs and Cole (because they were the guys last year). So, Sanders and Knox show up, and since they're killing it, teams might not be able to double Diggs or the slot anymore and then things will open up for those two. We now have legit 6 or 7 skill guys that could go off in any one game. So, they'll all get their opportunities and have their big games as the year goes on, especially with how Josh likes to spread the ball around. But yes, welcome officially to Buffalo/BillsMafia Mr. Sanders. So glad to have you. And I hope you get what you came here to be a part of...a championship team!

Honestly, it sounded like the only players he knew on the Bills were the ones they got to talk to in their pre-production meetings. Micah was pretty much the only Bill he acknowledged. Maybe Rosseau...and begrudgingly, Josh.

Was it just me? I thought Kelce saw the ball was going to be uncatchable (so there shouldn't have been a call anyhow) and then as he lunged backwards, making it look like he is trying to make a catch, he actually pulled Tre down on top of him. If anything I thought it should have been offensive pass interference.

He actually said it was a good thing when a KC defender was purposefully trying to twist Josh's ankle on a tackle (obviously trying to hurt him). Granted he also said the same on (I believe) Poyer's hit on Mahomes, but at least what Poyer did was legal (within the sportsman-like bounds of the game).

Lost all respect for Reid, Mahomes, and KC during that AFC Championship game last year (with how they acted/carried themselves). Looks like their PR dept. is much the same. So happy for our boys to avenge the loss with class. The looks on the Chiefs players at the end of the game was priceless.

Just when you didn't think you could like Josh anymore than you already do...mic'd up. Love this team and the culture/family/fun aspect it has, and that is first and foremost due to Coach McDermott and what he has built; a close second is having a down-to-earth, non-diva, fun leader in Josh; and finally to Beane, for sharing in McDermott's vision and then bringing in the right guys, not just good football players, but high-character grinders who love the game and are down with the process.

I'm not sure why so many posters are down on Boogie's performance today. As I posted in the Game Balls thread, yes, Boogie had the Offside penalty, but he also led the team with 5 tackles (4 solo), had two tackles for a loss (showed up in the run game, not just as a pass rusher), had 2 QB hits, a sack, and a blocked extra point. Sure, much of his playing time came later, against lesser competition...but I certainly wouldn't call that a bad day for a rookie in only his second game.

Nice. And yeah, Boogie had the Offside penalty, but he also had 5 tackles (4 solo), two tackles for a loss, a sack, two QB hits, and the blocked XP. Not too shabby. Glad to see him show up against the run too...not just as a pass rusher.

Agree with everyone on your list OP. Lots of guys played well today, so I'll add: Gabe Davis: looks as good as he did last year. Catches everything. Tyler Dodson: Great special teams tackle, and was very active on defense with a number of stops, including a thigh tackle to prevent a first down. Reggie Gilliam: 2 TDs, a 12-yard run, a couple of first downs. Nice blocking. Lance Lenoir flashed again with a great toe-line grab Nick McCloud flashed a bit at the end of the game for me. Damar Hamlin looked good too...4 tackles and a QB hit Who blocked that extra point? Bam? It was ninety-something. Couldn't see the 2nd number.

Live in Brooklyn...so about a 7 hour drive (370 miles).

No, no real overarching theme...I just remembered how the 2014 class was hyped so much as possibly the best class ever, so I wanted to try and see kind of where they ranked. (Initially I was thinking about how Benjamin and Watkins hadn't lived up to their potential). I didn't give my own ranking or whatever because I was curious what others thought. But I agree with some of the other posters that 1996 seems like the best. But where would 2014 rank...2nd? Top 3? Top 5? Really just something I decided to look into out of curiosity and thought I'd post about it.

Bored, off-season post: With Kelvin Benjamin signing with the Giants last week, it made me think about the 2014 WR draft class. At the time, and in the first couple of years, it was billed as possibly the greatest WR draft class of all-time. So, after seven years, I wondered if that still held true. 2014 WRs Round (pick) Player Career (rec/yds/TDs) Last two years average or player status 1st (#4) Sammy Watkins 321 for 4,665 and 33 45 for 547 and 3 TDs 1st (#7) Mike Evans 532 for 8,266 and 61 69 for 1,082 and 11 TDs 1st (#12) Odell Beckham, Jr. 487 for 6,830 and 51 49 for 677 and 4 TDs 1st (#20) Brandin Cooks 483 for 6,880 and 40 62 for 867 and 4 TDs 1st (#28) Kelvin Benjamin 209 for 3,021 and 20 was out of league (signed by NYG as TE this year) 2nd (#39) Marquise Lee 174 for 2,184 and 8 out of league 2nd (#42) Jordan Matthews 274 for 3,288 and 22 out of league (was on SF practice squad last year) 2nd (#45) Paul Richardson 238 for 1,804 and 12 out of league 2nd (#53) Davonte Adams 546 for 6,568 and 62 99 for 1,186 and 12 TDs 2nd (#56) Cody Latimer 70 for 935 and 2 out of league 2nd (#61) Allen Robinson 457 for 5,999 and 39 100 for 1,196 and 7 TDs 2nd (#63) Jarvis Landry 636 for 7,028 and 35 78 for 1,007 and 5 TDs 3rd (#86) Josh Huff 51 for 523 and 4 out of league 3rd (#90) Donte Moncrief 205 for 2,576 and 21 5 for 26 and 0 TDs 3rd (#91) John Brown 320 for 4,748 and 31 53 for 759 and 5 TDs 3rd (#97) Dri Archer 3 for 15 and 0 out of league There were 18 more WRs selected in rounds 4-7. The following are the only ones with more than 300 career yards: Bruce Ellington (769 yds) - out of league Martavius Bryant (2,183 yds) - out of league (playing in CFL and Indoor league) Ryan Grant (1,333 yds) - out of the league (playing in the CFL) T.J. Jones (852 yds) - out of the league Quincy Enunwa (1,617 yds) - out of the league (mostly due to injuries) Interesting to note that Jarvis Landry has the 2nd most yards in the class after Mike Evans (although Landry doesn't score as many TDs). Obviously Adams, Landry, and Robinson were the best values in the draft, although I definitely wouldn't have been upset drafting Mike Evans at #7. After seven seasons there are only 10 of 34 WRs from the 2014 draft left in the league...but it's a pretty good group (well 7 or 8 of them at least): Davonte Adams, Mike Evans, Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham, Jr., Brandin Cooks, Allen Robinson, John Brown, Sammy Watkins, Donte Moncrief, and Kelvin Benjamin So, how do you think they stack up against other great WR classes thus far? Here are a few of the other (Super Bowl era) years considered the best for reference: 1996: Terrell Owens, Keyshawn Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Eric Moulds, Amani Toomer, Joe Horn, Mushin Muhammad, Bobby Engram, Eddie Kennison, Terry Glenn 1988: Michael Irvin, Tim Brown, Sterling Sharpe, Anthony Miller, Quinn Early, Michael Haynes, Flipper Anderson, Brian Blades, Brett Permian 1985: Jerry Rice, Andre Reed, Al Toon, Chris Burkett, Eddie Brown, Jessie Hester, Vance Johnson, Reggie Langhorne, Eric Martin 1974: Lynn Swan, John Stallworth, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Roger Carr, Nat Moore, Freddie Scott, Sam McCullum 2001: Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Santana Moss, T.J. Houshmandzadah, Chris Chambers 1976: Steve Largent, Sammy White, Dave Logan, Henry Marshall, Duriel Harris, Pat Tilley 1991: Herman Moore, Ed McCaffrey, Keenan McCardell, Shawn Jefferson, Rocket Ismail, Jake Reed, Mike Pritchard, Michael Jackson, Jeff Graham 2015: Stephon Diggs, Tyler Lockett, Amari Cooper, Jamison Crowder, Devante Parker 2010: Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Golden Tate, Brandon LaFell, Victor Cruz, Eric Decker 2011: Julio Jones, A.J. Green, Randall Cobb, Torrey Smith, Cecil Shorts, Jeremy Kerley, Denarius Moore 1998: Randy Moss, Hines Ward, Tim Dwight, Joe Jurevicius, Az-Zahir Hakim, Kevin Dyson 1986: Ernest Givens, John Taylor, Tim McGee, Webster Slaughter, Mark Jackson, Bill Brooks

No trade. Allen all the way! If Josh isn't as good as Mahomes yet, he's certainly biting at his heels. Plus Josh is the perfect guy for Buffalo and for this team. He wants to be in Buffalo. He loves Buffalo. His attitude and demeanor are so perfect for this city and for leading this team and culture that McDermott and Beane have created. Josh is probably more gifted than Mahomes physically (because of his size and running ability---which I believe to be superior to Mahomes). They both have cannons for arms, so a draw there. They are both uber-competitors..another draw. And Allen is quickly catching up in the mental aspect of the game. Plus I have to say, I really did not like how KC and Mahomes handled themselves in the Championship game last year---not very classy. I'm sure Mahomes is overall a very nice guy...but I didn't love his sportsmanship in that game. To me, even if Mahomes is still currently ahead of Josh, I don't think the difference is big enough for that to be the answer to the original question: "If you could swap any player for any player at the same position, who would it be?" How about swapping Addison for one of the best pass rushers in the league, or Levi for one of the best corners in the league, etc. etc. I think there are a number of other positions where the divide would be greater than between Josh and Patrick at QB.

Just out of curiosity, I wanted to see what the 2020 top passing teams' stats were for just their WRs. So, I subtracted the TE yards from each teams' total passing yards. TOTAL PASSING YARDS OF THE TOP 9 PASSING TEAMS FROM 2020 w/TE PRODUCTION SUBTRACTED (WRs ONLY) BUF 4,344 HOU 4,043 ATL 4,024 DAL 3,877 TB 3,725 LAC 3,670 KC 3,526 DET 3,362 LVR 3,033 Why only 9 teams? Because from the 10th team on, no team's total passing yards (including their TE production) was as much as the Bills WRs on their own. Seems crazy that the most productive WR corps in the league last year, with the top receiver from last year, and their only loss being a net gain by picking up Sanders (Brown had 458 yds and 3 TDs last year; Sanders 726 and 5 TDs), wouldn't be in the conversation. Of the 8 teams selected by NFLonCBS, only 3 were in the top 10 in receiving yards last year. The other 5 teams were ranked 13th, 14th, 16th, 18th, and 24th. I know football is a complex team sport and things can change drastically from one season to the next---and more goes into passing stats than just how good the WRs are (like QB, scheme, O-line, etc.). But the post said, "Who has the best WR corps." You could use a lot of criteria for such a ranking, but to me, the "best" has to mean production. And I do not see how all 8 of those teams leap-frog the Bills group, even weighing in offseason moves (draft and FA). None of those teams acquired a big name free agent WR, and only 4 of those teams spent a high draft pick on a WR [3 late second-rounders (LAR, SEA, CAR), and a third rounder (CLE)]. I'm not saying we are the best/most talented, or whatever...but how are our guys not top 8 with that production (300 yards more than the next team, 1,000 yards better than the 9th team). And even if they were talking about WR duos (because most of the pictures are two players only---even though the title is "corps"), well again, based on last year, wouldn't the best be the players with the most yards? Diggs/Beasley: 2,502 yards Lockett/Metcalf: 2,357 Jefferson/Thielen: 2,325 Anderson/Moore: 2,289 Ridley/Jones: 2,145 (Jones missed 7 games) Lamb/Cooper: 2,049 Kupp/Woods: 1,910 Evans/Godwin: 1,846 (Godwin missed 4 games) Landry/Beckham 1,159 (Odell missed 9 games) I just don't see us dropping from the #1 overall receiver, the #1 overall yards by WRs, the #1 WR duo, #3 overall in passing and receiving (TEs included), all the way down to 9th place or worse. Yes, there are a lot of big names, high draft picks, and talent on that list...but our guys are pretty damn talented too (regardless of draft position or name recognition).