colin

in terms of historic significance we can't know until later in the season at the earliest. in terms of where we were, and where the opponents were on the day of the game, yes this is the worst loss and combined w our play vs Tenn, first half miami, and now this game i'd say the odds (for betting) of us being pretenders and falling apart are higher now than us going to the chip. we had the #1 scoring O and D coming into this game (2 teams have ever finished the season with that, both champs) and were the best odds to win the chip as of last week. Jags had not won on american soil since week 1 2020!!! the penalties, the turnovers, the zero rhythm on O, and losing by 3 points all come together for this to be the worst upset of a bills team given expectations coming into the game. sad

apparently i must know? so a fan needs omniscience in order to criticize the coaching for a team w the number one scoring O and D who just lost to the actual worst team in the league? give your head a shake! the point is this was a great opportunity for some HC conservatism, to take the rope away from the OC (who was awful) and go real conservative and kick some 3s and walk away a winner.

lol, i was about to disagree, but you are totally right, we really do. we got that 2 pt conversion vs tenn, so at the end we were down by 3, and we went for it instead of kicking. i understand some people feel like we should have gone for it and all that, but you set yourself up to be down by the kick, and didn't do it. and ya, today they did the same. in a sense, going with some of the plays that put the ball at risk down in the jags end, even while our o had been awful, also showed that. some conservative down and distance turtle play woulda set us up for like 3 more fg attempts, walking away w a 6 point win! lol. i kinda wonder if mccoach understands how to not be conservative without being just balls out aggressive. like, he was way too conservative at times before, and now he seems like he might just bench our punter and kicker!

the more time we have to prep for teams, the worse our O plays in the start (i think some tv guy pointed that out). Pittz, first half of miami, etc. that shows me a coaching staff who just doesn't get the team ready, they don't figure something out to give the o an advantage. while i agree our OL is bad, it is not worse than the 3 back ups the jags had today, who played better than our line vs a better D than theirs. Jax's best OL was out as a surprise, and they just plugged a guy in. that guy is not as good as the starter, he's way worse. we have been sliding OTs to G, started a rookie at OT, and sliding that waste of a roster spot fatty ford in and out. that combined w the fact that we ditched wyatt teller, and to a lesser extent q spain, makes me think our OL coaching doesn't really know what they are doing. people credit dabol for these stats, but how often are our drives rescued by allen just doing some kind of superman thing? basically most of our scoring drives are like that, that's not on coaching, that's just superior talent. the jags ran a blitz heavy scheme mixing in cover 2 and some other wrinkles, and the bills O only ever seemed to call plays that gave the O a very high level of difficulty. remember the cover zero jail break blitz that allen sort of rolled away from (free rusher) and hit beaz for like 3 yards and a first? that to me is an example of how our scheme/coaching/preparation just simply doesn't put our O in an advantage situation, and it's really just our O talent having to perform magic.

allen was pretty much trash yesterday, he said as much. the issue in our o is not allen turning chicken poop into chicken salad every play, he does that too much as it is. the issue is trash OL play and just terrible overall OC scheme. dabol loves to dial up creative stuff and odd formations, but we never find a good rhythm and we just make everything so difficult. we have the best QB/WR combo in the nfl, our overall stats from crushing cans shows that, but our O just friggen disappears way too often. OL talent, OL coaching (i think biggest hole on the team) and our OC's lack of big picture understanding is killing us. both miami games, pittz, and this jags game our O was in complete disarray. That's half the games we have played this year. with the cans we have played, the d getting so many turnovers, and just the talent on O, we have some sick stats, but that's nothing consistent or repeatable, and that's a function of coaching more than anything else. to all those who say it could be or is an execution issue more than a coaching issue: look at our penalties. a lack of discipline comes from the top, and it's gotten to be way too much.

Allen stank, but with a couple exceptions of him scrambling or the ball getting out super fast to a wr who just whipped his man off the line, it seemed like the jags knew our every play. They showed zone, and then jumped beaz cuz our zone beater. Every run was sniffed out they blitzed and had free runners on just about every 3rd and long. Josh was bad, our OL was absolute trash, and dabol is in over his head.

As mentioned above, we need new ol coaching

This is not a well coached team. The d plays hard, but super sloppy with tons of penalties. The O, which was even pointed out by the half time show, has no identity and fatass dabol just dials up silly gimmicks The oline is actually awful, bottom 10 and potentially bottom 5.

id take a flyer on him.

we obviously need to take what is there because our weapons simply cannot be covered consistently, but the oline is not good. With brown out and ford in and williams back at RT, we have a downgrade at two spots in the line.

if we can't get OG (which i really don't see happening in a way where the player gets integrated quickly) or pass rusher, i'd take OBJ if the deal was right. he's a clown but has huge talent and that would be an insane WR corps to recon with.

while i think the bills need interior OL help the most, i think the brass thinks our O is pretty much capable of scoring on anyone, and since we have some extra DL we can cut (we sit guys who get major burn pretty regularly) it does kinda make sense that they want a better pass rusher add on this year. also, i've gotta think it's easier to rotate in an older pass rusher for 20-30 snaps a game than it is to get a new starter on the OL ready to play in our scheme.

if allen has 50 total tds and the rest of the numbers work themselves out (4500+ passing, not terrible turnovers, say 65% context completion) then he walks away with it. 45-50 total tds and someone else could take it, but he'd still be my odds on favorite. sub 45 total TDs and it gets harder. i really do think the MVP is turning into some kind of fantasy sports thing, mixed with media narrative (which has always been there). if we end up w only 3 or 4 losses it's pretty highly likely that he gets it, even with sub 45 tds. i'd rather have some real football brains sort of meet in a smokey room and just vote on it. who was that guy who used to write for SI, Dr Z? that kind of guy.

top 10 for sure, maybe top 5. we lack a little physicality up front at times, big targets in the guts of our zone are always a concern. how they play vs better teams will tell me how confident i am in the playoffs. that tenn game was a wake up call. i think we had the wrong guys active tho. aje woulda done better work.

I just don't buy this at all. Rosen was not cut out to be an NFL QB and while AJ might have not hit the same stats and super high level of play if he got cut and ended up somewhere else, he is a stud and would be a stud anywhere. at the nfl level, small differences in skill and coaching/team cohesion can make big differences in results, but that's mainly due to most games being won or lost by a single score. at an individual player level, there is no way on earth a character and talent like JA17 ends up like wet blanket Josh rosen.

we clearly need an upgrade on the interior line, Ford being trash is a big problem. I think our most correctable issue on OL and DL is schematic. Our OL just can't handle stunts at all, like zero. on the DL, i think depending on who is on the pitch the opponents know where they can double and just an quick win and use that to reduce the impact of our pass rush. hope they figure it out during the bye week.

the d getting trucked is my biggest concern, i really think there was a schematic/personnel issue vs Tenn. On O in the red zone, which frankly if we fixed we would be 6-0 and have a crazy advantage in the playoffs. my main criticism of daboll is something im gonna trot out again, they gets too clever by half. we have so many ways to beat teams and so many wrinkles on O that dabol falls in love with his toys and doesn't have enough go to basic sets. our plays in the redzone take just too long to develop, quick slants and fades and even draws out of shotgun work well around the NFL, but they have to be executed really quickly and with precision. part of it is gonna be JA17 holding the ball and processing, but some more boring straight forward stuff will keep the D honest and lower the degree of difficulty for us. at this point i wonder if our OC can change his spots enough. reminds me of the 91 superbowl when just a few more running plays could have lead to a walk away victory, but Kelly/our O was just too in love w the pass.

we just don't match up well w the big tough well coached teams. i think milano was terrible on monday, no way is he really back. and a small quick LB like that is fodder for a team like Tenn. on the other side of the ball, they just sold out to get physical with us, and while we put yards and points on them, we didn't get enough done in the red zone to walk away winners. their o vs our d was the biggest chess match loss tho. we bottled them up a couple times, and then they just kept the body blows coming. 7 scores in a row?

this game and the pittz game reminds me of the manning lead colts. when they got a lead, their simple and fast game plan on d and finesse O would just murder people. when they didn't they looked predictable and could get out muscled. the titans went all in on a game plan on both sides of the ball to outphysical us and we had no answer. i know hind sight is 20/20, but if we kept wyatt teller, i think we are 6-0 this season.

sometimes it strikes me that our D generally plays to defend the whole field, which ends up meaning we ask our LBs or DBs to do the next to impossible covering guys all over the place, and if our front 4 don't get home it is impossible. contrast that with what both teams who beat us did, they sold out to make allen running non viable, muddled up pressure and blitzes and disguises to make his job hard, and rolled the dice on the back end which allowed for some big busted plays. my biggest issue with this is it makes us kinda vanilla and predictable, and we basically forced next to no punts all day vs a team missing olinemen with the most sacked qb in the nfl.

big tough dirty and well coached. that's what kills us. it didn't matter that they had a ups driver and a barrista playing CB, they just jammed us up front and abused our o line, and got pressure on josh like every single 3rd down. on the other side, the d just folded hard. milano had no business playing, he looked awful. odaba or whatever his name is is our worst lineman, addison is meh, hughs is meh + a bit of flashes here and there. AJ and basham on the bench didn't help us at all. if we are making one move into the bye/trade deadline, it has to be for an OG. we need someone nasty on the left side. bills played hard, but made too many mistakes. IMO this loss is down to coaching. we weren't prepared well enough (couldn't get the O to operate without josh running around like his hair is on fire, bad bad bad special teams penalties, and a dumb kick off strategy) and vrabel drew up the exact game plan necessary to make us shoot ourselves in the foot. he put his guys in the best position to win, we just lined up and begged 17 to be super man up and down the field.

a well coached physical team always has the advantage on us. guys who get mucky w us and can beat us up physically put us in bad situations and we need #17 to be super man to win.

so true. we really could use a nasty physical guard. nothing would improve our O more than that. last night, we got out coaches more than anything. Tenn is the inferior squad, but they had an answer to everything we wanted to do. we got 31, and they did get a lot of points from goofy errors and such, but the degree of difficulty our o was playing under was simply higher than them. just like last season, they were better prepared for this game than we were. it reminds me of the our tenn game last season, and the playoff run the titans went on in 2019. vrabel is a caveman, but he gets his guys prepped with a very specific game plan. i think if you can beat that plan, you walk to victory, but if you can't adjust, you get what we've been getting.

Looking kinda bleak here. Lot of juice draining plays. We need 7 and we need it bad. A touch here and then a stop and we are in a position to close it

They are just selling out to attack around the line of scrimmage, no runs and no scrambles are easy, I don't understand why dabol sunk that drive playing into the teeth of the d