colin

agree w you and the quoted post. imo, the idea for our o line is that young smart nasty hungry guys PLAYING AS A UNIT will beat out allstar giant softies (like our old line, or dallas, or philly a couple of years ago). we are going the pats, packers of early 2k, ny giants route. we will of course have some growing pains, but if they can run block well, and do just enough in the passing game, teams blitzing us will get hurt due to the great set of skill talent we've got. with marshawn and jackson, we have a threat in the running game from all formations and with two top level studs on the outside, along with some role players closer to the line, we can hurt teams in the passing game for the first time in a long while. it comes down to trent growing into his role, and i think he will.

the two parties don't even necessarily have stances on issues: they are totally focussed on identity politics. it is apple, whole foods, and fubu vs Wrangler, budweiser, and affliction Tshirts.

awesome vid. as i watch these old games (even the ones from the late 90s when our d was sick) i am always amazed at how much better secondaries are in the nfl today. guys for both teams were open with 2 yards of separation half the time!

i gave up on him too, but i will say there is always a shot. if he comes back and plays then it's a huge bonus. he did have mad quicks and some skill, it was his mistakes and horrible conditioning that hurt him IMO. i dunno, if he can look like a 1st round pick should look along w the rest of our guys, we could have some real pass rushers on 3rd and long.

you know, i think that's why they want to run this. they figure trent has a quick brain, but is a little slow on our current O (i think he has too many reads or our plays are too long developing/complicated). if we have an o predicated on pre snap reads and quick decisions, then that is the best thing. w the quick TE, lee evans, TO and a RB out of the flat we should have a miss match and open hot read every play.

my hate for the pats is unconstrained by any conventional sense of morality.

i'd like him, but is he really worth a 2nd or so next year (what he is likely to cost) and a pretty big contract?

donte was only ever an FS for us because we had OK SS but jack for FS besides. he will move to SS and byrd will be FS at some point this year. our secondary will be good.

it's interesting that the exact same line was better in 07 than in 08. i don't buy gelling as much as i buy playing better together, which takes a lot less time if the offense and protections suit the players. if the guys only have to block for a little bit, then they will seeming gel right away.

i get the impression some nfl teams are moving towards an idea of the line being uniform, preferring to spend LG to RT rather then blowing the wad on LT LG. I think this suits our team best, as like corners LTs are actually always available round one in the draft, so you don't absolutely have to over pay to sign one, but the actual addition to winning comes from the line being a good unit, not a compliment of players like how the D line is. a pass catching threat at TE will help too as it means he's either open, or he takes a guy out of the blitz package/makes him obvious.

bowen really has a rep as a good tackler and a heat seeking missile. i hope he is good to go and gets at it for us next year. we'd have a stout line, some pass rushers, and some punishing hitters.

most on this board seem to think that all that matters is the lines on either side of the ball. corners, safties, even if they make up 4-6 guys out of 11 on every snap on d besides defense don't matter. if the opponents put out 4 wide (like the pats do so many downs) we can just switch to 34 and cover them with 3 350 pound nose tackles!!

peters has sick talent, that's obvious. the problem is he is a fkn punk and quit on us, is soft and gets hurt, and frankly played very incosistently in 08. we did the right thing ditching his fat ass. the problem now is just getting some production out of the LT position. now we might need to get a new guy for this season, but i think our coaches like bell enough to go with him at least next year. all we need is ok play at the LT. i think our entire line LG to RT is improved, and our skill positions are up a bunch this year, so our O should be nicely better as a whole.

he broke a few big kicks and scored some td's dude. if he does that again i think he is clearly a very good pick.

forget it dude, half of the guys here just think the only good d possible is a big huge one. forget speed, athleticism, any of that, all they need is size. all the guys crying for 3-4 and size might want to look at Cleavland. they traded picks and spent a ton of money on 2 of 3 big 3-4 d linemen and have picks and money in their linebackers and are friggen worse than us by a good shot on D (yes i know they beat us, but we beat san diego, i don't think anyone thinks we were better last year over all than SD).

so philly hasn't built a good d, a VERY GOOD D, in bad weather based on speed? for christ bill, nyc didn't get the extra gear on their d until a philly disciple went to them and made them more aggressive. and indy, chicago, tampa, and YES EVEN YOUR GIANTS are speed teams on D. nothing crazy about being fast.

yeah, they have a better line, no sht. they might have the best line in the nfl. we just addressed ours in each of the past 2 offseasons, adding a stud in stroud and the best friggen pass rusher in the draft in maybin. if mccargo didn't bust out (i suppose he might still have a shot) we'd have a deep rotation at DT, but we are at least above average there right now. AND WHAT ABOUT PHILLY?!?!!?!!?!?!? if it wasn't for the mike gandy led oline of the cards (another player at a position you always insist needs a pro bowler) philly would have made the bowl last year, and they whipped the pittz O in the regular season, and they whipped your giants. speed kills dude, it always has.

you misunderstood the post. he is saying that they could (as in may) not beat out the rookies this year. they are marginal guys compared to the rest. ko and wilson are two guys we don't want starting, and while i like scott as a tough guy, he just isn't great in deep cover situations (which happen 40%+ in the nfl!!). byrd at FS and donte at SS, along w mcgee and leodis gives us a bunch of tacklers and guys who can pick a ball and bring it back. also we need to be in nickle and dime every single game. that brings in corner and youboty. and at least 1 or 2 of our picks today are for april to keep fresh legs on special teams.

and that's what we are going for too. but i disagree with your point of huge. the only position on D where the giants are bigger than us is OLB. schobel might be a little on the small side, but he's been by far our best defensive player for a while. and you didn't address all those other teams, they have sick speed. also took at philly, they've been MONSTERS on the D and pass rush for years, and they are all smaller than us but are aggressive and fast with a great secondary. you just can't admit that there is more than one way to skin a cat, can you?

giants, colts, miami, all spanked new england bill. what do they all have on D? speed and ability to rush.

for me the dangerous part is OL. now our OL had a massive step back last year, and Peters and Dock played terribly at times. that cost us games. i think from LG to RT we are a bit better out the gate, and definitely better by week 10. it comes down to how we play at LT. if we lost peters of 07 then i'd suggest we'd fo sho be down, but the fact is we lost hold out hurt 2 years in a row 11 sacks giving up peters, not all pro peters. we also lost lazy fat plodding dock, not vicious blocking dock. if we get serviceable play from lt i think we are up graded on the line period. our pass rush is upgraded, our linebackers are flat to upgraded (i assume someone will step up at SAM, and poz is a year more mature), our secondary is net upgraded (leodis to me is better now than greer, and byrd is better than our other guys at FS), and our D line is better w aaron being healthy and maybin being a rusher on 3rd downs. we CLEARLY got a bunch better at skill positions and another year for edwards is a big plus. i think our team is better at almost every level and if we get any play from LT we are better everywhere.

red zone TD % as well. with more maulers up front and much more size at WR and TE i think we start turning 3s into 7s

peters quit on us, that's all i need to know.

what did those bums ever do?!?!?!? the point to note is that what a player at a certain position does in some schools is what they will do at a different position in the pros. now maybin is a DE and that's what he will be for us, jayson taylor but less gay. but our new LB was a bit a rover in school at S so it won't be a million miles off, and the interior O line guys are all versatile.

he's a guy with some limits to him, but COULD turn out to be just the kind of LB we want. so many of the highly rated LBs were just not fit in the passing game to play for us. maluaga, cushing, and laurinitis all have moments of brilliance, but i don't think one of them could play the pass like poz at all, so getting one wouldn't really help us.