colin

if maybin is the guy who can best rush the passer then who here would be against maybin? remember when suggs stank in the draft? he was so incomplete they only let him rush the passer on like 1 in 5 plays in his rookie year. i'd hate a guy like that, because our d gets so many sacks, and we can just find a pass rusher on the street.

dock had a shedload of ability and very little heart, like a few other texas products.

dude, a single position interior lineman is a big liability if people go down. most teams have 7 linemen for the o all season, and at least one back up has to be a tackle, which means you want AT LEAST 2 guys who can play 3+ positions each.

without knowing much, i will point out that o linemen are not pitchers, they don't stand out there alone and have to fit together. if the bills ink up peters for big cash, they will be saying they want uber tackles, and solid hard working guards, not a talented heart short guy like dock at G.

this was a last stab at something trade -- no way would we be shopping a guy and be willing to pay the roster bone, so our counterparties knew he would be available without a trade, so it would only be for small value.

the young guy they have in kc looked very good himself, without moss and welker. i really think (like anderson in cle) that cassel might struggle and due to having virtually now starting experience fall apart on a weak kc team. i hope kc crashes and burns, and new england dies of aids.

could they really trade the 3rd overall for matt cassel? that would be insane and horrible.

this is exactly right. now, there were no deadlines here. dock didn't have to be cut before any given date, so it's not like the bills didn't get the paper work in in time. there was no deadline. i think dock might not have liked the lions, so disagreed on a new contract, so the bills just let him go.

if maybin is the most gifted pure edge rusher then he would be a great pick at 11. some would say it was a reach, but they said that about dwight freeney at around the same spot. an edge rusher is the difference between our d and a top 5 or 10 d

STOP THE HYSTERIA!! no one is saying for the bills to sign a corner for 15 bucks a year, but you did say to pay some over 30 center 12 bucks. you just have way too much infatuation for oline. they are important as a unit, but as individuals they are much much less so. the bottom line is a team needs several good corners, one corner going down in a game can mean larry fitz open for 6 3 times in a quarter.

you are just way out of touch bill. no one is talking about the bills paying any corner 15 bucks a year, this is a discussion about the relative value of secondary vs interior line. to the other poster above me -- yeah a close to/hall of fame c is better than a slightly above average corner, sure. the difference is that a good young cb, not even the best, is worth much more than a very good C. the least talented o line position is C, it always has been. many Cs cannot play any other position on the line. every single team shows you that the C is a low pick kind of position, and doesn't warrent big contracts. every single team also pays and bids huge for good corners and drafts them high. is it so hard for you to understand that corners are more valuable than centers?

pettigrew (assuming he has a pretty good pro day) is rated top 10 in terms of talent by several guys. if he's a top 5 te in the nfl he is totally worth the 11th.

on a per man basis the defensive secondary and particularly corners are more important than the oline. while lt requires a rare kind of athlete, a slight deficit in lt play will cause some trouble (like gandy, or even the not so great lt on pitts) for the o. a slight deficit in corner play will result in break away touchdowns. there's a reason why no on will pay that much for even the best C, but will pay it for even just good but not great corners (near pro bowl/pro bowl corners get 10 a year, good ones get 6-9). that's the way it is bill, all nfl gms are big on spending high picks on secondary, that's how it's done.

i'd give him the ball, maybe roll him out for a few screens as well.

that's just insane and ignorant. you realize every single coach, front office, and gm in the nfl constantly says that they totally disagree with you based on the draft picks they use and the money they spend on contracts, right? small changes in center ability might result is slightly worse execution of things like shotgun snaps, or the odd wrong line call. slight changed in corner back ability can result in 6 points from anywhere on the field. it's just not close, everyone with a log in id to this board should know this.

jesus bill, you think a center is worth as much as the best corner in the nfl? the contract might be too big, but you fundamentally don't understand how important the defensive secondary is in the nfl. the final four teams in the nfl last year all dumped big money and draft picks into their secondary and only one had a highly drafted and paid o line. gandy, who you and others insisted would ruin our entire o, was the starting lt for the best team in the nfl. stop the chubby chasing and secondary hate.

gandy had a hard job and kinda sucked, but both pitt and zona have way under top level LTs and managed to get to the bowl. in fact, if edge had one less bad drive, or if the secondary (of course bill in nyc will insist without a HOF lt you can't win, and that the secondary does nothing) played a bit better on the last drive for zona they would have walked away a winner. the chubby chasing has gotten just too crazy here.

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knee was down!!

i think a lot of this game will come down to pittz not being able to protect big ben, and pittz having no way of covering the zona wrs. for all the chubby chasing on this board fluffing peters while lets yet another sacker by, playmaker are the ones who score.

i'd like that if there is a guy we want there, but i think that is worth more than just 1 2nd

ill take him. big play slash role

nah, i think he could play in most any system.

i think the peters fans just assume that if we pay him he will play as hard as he can every play and not get hurt. it didn't work that way with sf and jonas jennings, and i don't think it will work that way w us and peters. i say we get that lt out of carolina for about what peters would want, and ship him off for some picks. tag and trade greer to clevland for winslow, and we will either be able to drop some cash on a DE, or just get one in the draft (along w a sick playmaker in the front 7, dt or lb) and draft a kick ass c as well.

he looked pretty effing good in the coverage of the bowl practices i've seen. monster against the run and rushing the passer. i bet he could drop 10 15 pounds and be decent in coverage too. agree w the polimaulu comparison -- dude goes full speed all the time and imo has big plays in him. him, poz, and crow, w mitchell competing (maybe beating out poz?) would really be a sick lb core. throw in a new DE in FA and we'll be top 5 or 10 on d with some turnovers and such.