Dr. Who

Happy belated birthday. One of my favorite posters. Game day threads I don't have to say a thing cause Joe tells it like it is.

Well, I am hoping Allen Fromm is the new Kelly Reich. We'll see. Expectations for Fromm are set low for much of the fan base. They're going to be surprised when they discover he actually has some talent.

I don't share your pessimism regarding Allen. I think he's going to continue to improve and be very good. I do agree Fromm is better than folks think. You could also mention the change in OC his junior year. Fella (Coley) was a big drop off from Jim Chaney.

He did his own "self-made pro day" on April 5th in an attempt to improve his stock. (And it did "only affect Fromm" in the sense that his performance was uniformly judged to have been poor at the Combine. How could it not?) I am not one of those making claims for From because I think Allen is bad at qb. On the contrary, I think Allen is going to be a franchise qb. I also think Fromm is better than a clone of noodle arm Peterman. I'm an UGA fan and watch their games. He was really hurt by loss of top playmakers last year. I do believe he will be at worst a competent backup and has some potential to surprise.

Think you should add Pittman and Claypool to that list. Shenault, Claypool, and Akers have the best chance of being there. I love Swift, but no chance he is there without a trade up, imo and the cost would be prohibitive. We're not trading away the 3rd to move up.

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You've pretty much never liked his chances, though I'm told by lots of folks on this board there are few if any haters, so let's just say your sense of objectivity differs from my own. I think Allen has progressed as well as any reasonable person could expect given his background and surrounding talent. He's likely going to be a top 10 qb this year if there is an actual season. He's got areas to improve, but that's just normal for a young qb. Years ago, it was understood it took time. Today, if a qb pretty much isn't instant top qb, folks think he doesn't have it.

I've been thinking use a Day 2 pick on Rb. It's an important position for this team. If you can get a guy with this proven talent for a 5th, that frees up early picks for other positions. Edge, CB, big WR. Definitely worth the risk and it's always possible the culture and winning makes a positive change in the fella playing for his next paycheck.

So DIggs is the only top level player added to the offense? Don't think so. One of the Day 2 picks is rb or wr. Beane made a point of needing more playmakers that can potentially score on any play.

Someone else will have to do the flaming. This is right on imo.

Yep. No need to sell the Sabres. Just do this^^^^^!

I'm not sure they know how to evaluate collegiate wr, but the actual wr room right now is good. Still like to see someone like Pittman or Claypool added.

I have been pushing for Clowney if you can get him at a somewhat reasonable contract. I think he would be perfect for this D. Not sure if there is a 2nd round DE that would have that kind of impact year one. Drafting an edge early is a reasonable option as far as positional needs, of course.

Schmaltzy populist feel good annoys me, but I'm a get off my lawn crank misanthrope.

I had the same thought. It would be a good PR move and funny.

I just don't see how packaging even all the late round picks moves you far enough to get into the first and obviously, you need at keep at least 4 or 5 picks even if you believe the roster has relatively few openings. I doubt a 2021 2nd or 3rd rounder provides sufficient value to push yourself into the first. The conventional wisdom that I always hear is you downgrade a round, so a 2021 2nd = 2020 3rd, etc. I can see Beane using later round 2020 picks to try and move up within a round. I would be in favor of moving up towards the top of the 2nd, though that may cost you your 3rd and that is an expensive buy. I see the need for youth at edge, btw, though myself I would still go offense. I like big WR like Claypool or a really dynamic RB to pair with Singletary. My guess, however, is that they probably go DE, CB, or S either at 54 or with a trade up into the top half of round 2. (I really think it is going to kill Beane to have to sit out the first round and he will be itching to get in the game earlier in the second.)

If there are children involved, I hope there was a prenuptial agreement they'll be raised Bills' fans.

Well, we agree on Mina and Claypool. Allen, bit of a difference, but two out of three ain't bad. I suspect they go D in the second, but I would prefer big WR or RB 1B.

So you think they're going to trade next years first? I don't see how else you get into the first. I would hate it, btw.

Thanks. I like your rankings, btw. I would trade up for Swift, but I'm an UGA fan so perhaps unduly biased.

What round is this fella likely to go? I read we had a virtual meeting, so he appears to be on our radar.

I think there needs to be improvement and I am expecting that. If Allen is the same player he was in 2019 with better players around him, that's a red flag. I am somewhat concerned about Daboll's playcalling. I also think it's important to have another good rb brought in to pair with Singletary. I am not waiting to the mid to late rounds to pick up a fella. 3rd round latest, imo.

As in mehdieval?

And there you go. I don't at all grant that mediocre starting Qb is Allen's ceiling.

Cycling the way Jrober proposes seems to me simply a veiled way of saying what he's plainly said numerous times before. He doesn't think Allen will develop into a franchise qb. And really, if your guy isn' t showing real promise and some significant achievement after year 3, you're probably drafting a young guy anyway, so I'm not sure there is that much of a point there.