C.Biscuit97

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariMa01.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarkMa00.htm come on Dr, there’s no comparison between them. Mariota hasn’t lived up to being a starting qb but Barkley is a dime a dozen backup. It’s weird how he has become so overrated here.

Agreed. Mariota isn’t a franchise qb but he is far from a clown. He has an 89 career qb rating (Barkley has a 68 but he is clearly better!). Mariota will probably get a chance to move to another team to compete for a job and make a lot of money being a backup. but I definitely would take Allen over him right now.

I pray you don’t really believe this because it’s insane. He always have been good. That why Belichick paid him a lot of money. Just insane Bills fans didn’t like him because he didn’t smile at the draft. Stop. It’s amazing this inferiority complex some of you have. Gilmore has been always been good and now he’s become great. NE has a slightly better secondary. And our secondary and defense gets plenty of love. You do realize that while we have a very good defense, NE’s is borderline all time great. It’s not made up. I always thought he was a bit overrated when he was here but he will get a job quickly. I think everyone agreed with what he said but it was pretty stupid to put it out in the media.

What do these takes accomplish? He’s a clown? And you are insane if you don’t think he is better than Matt Barkley. But overall, it accomplishes nothing to trade for him.

Who would be good on that team? Fitz was pretty good on TB last year (100 qb rating). Rosen has been in the worst situations in the nfl his first 2 years. Their defense is awful, traded Fitzpatrick, traded their LT, have no receiver talent. It is one of the worst situations in a long time.

How did Allen have a better game than Jackson against Bengals? That’s simply not true. I do agree their schedule has been weak but he has looked pretty good and definitely improved. I actually had Allen and Jackson rated on the same level when they came out. It will be interesting how they both continue to develop.

Skip Bayless would be proud of these ? takes.

Interesting question. I think Stafford is good but there’s a ceiling there. Allen is going to have a hard time reaching MS’s numbers but he could have more Ws. The problem with a guy like MS is you are going to pay him a ton money but he isn’t the guy to significantly affect winning consistently. So while I’d love to have a franchise guy, MS is kinda the dividing line between elite and good. But I’d sign up for Allen being MS good right now. But part of the problem is his contract limits them.

He wasn’t even good in college.

Hey, I wish we could do that but it would be insane to trade a former 1st rounder who is 24 for a 5th or lower. Well, that would be dumb. I like those guys but Howard is so much talented than all of them combined. TB is a pretty stupid organization. I could easily see Howard having an Ebron rebirth on another team.

Minnesota is by far the best. Good call. I’m sorry I’m not that excited about 14 points last week. But Philly will be a great test. Jackson’s passing numbers are skewed last year because he played in every game but wasn’t the full time starter. Allen probably still averaged more but there was so narrative that he was a far superior passer. I always argued that they were a lot closer than our fans wanted to admit. And Jackson has taken his game to a level that I wasn’t sure he’d get too. He is definitely in the MVP conversation. Game winning drives is starting to become an awful stat or needs to be adjusted. Like if you suck all game but have a great defense and score a late td isn’t that impressive. Also if you are on a good team and are a good qb, you stomp a team out early so you don’t have to comeback. For example, Brady has 9 game winning drives in the last 6 years and zero this year.

It’s just funny how people let their biases affect how they see things (this is really for you John). Lamar was a better qb in a better conference in college. He had better passing numbers than Allen as a rookie. He has far superior numbers this year, 96 qb rating, 251 passing yards/ game, and 460 yards rushing. He is without a doubt an MVP candidate and yet some posters will still call him a running back playing qb. How is Allen the best? I mean I want him to be but what is the actual evidence? Honest question. What has been Allen’s best game against a good team?

I loved him in the draft. He was breaking out last year before he got hurt. Arians’ offense doesn’t really use TEs and Brate is another good one. I don’t know why the Bucs would trade him when his value is so low but I’d love him here. I think he can still be a star. Also, I’d take Brate too. He’s good.

And this is what I always worried about with Allen. We are just going to keep hearing about raw he is and how he needs a little more time. Ive grown to really like how he carries himself and he has shown some progression in the short game. But he is so inconsistent and I just hope that’s not going to be his whole career.

I mean this honestly. When will allowed to want more from Allen? Am I bad fan because I want our highest drafted qb to have more tds than ints?

High pick qb, playing on a team with a great defense, and winning games. Jets fans would just say he wins but ignore the overwhelming evidence that he was along for the ride. He would have “comebacks” but it would beecause he was terrible all game and the defense kept it close. Long way way to go to see that for Allen and I think he is more physically gifted.

Oh yeah for sure. But that shovel pass is the one play most fans could make. Hell screens and slants have been difficult for our qbs to complete over the years.

We scored 14 points. Yup and that’s kinda my point. I forgot the undrafted guy last year from SF who would have monster games last year. Why can’t the highest drafted guy in Bills history? and I get it. We’re winning. I just want to see a complete game from our potential franchise qb.

And people don’t think he’s their number 1. He is a really good 2 or 1B.

The funny thing is Reid can somehow not screw it up and win a SB, he will go down as a great coach. It’s crazy for a game or 2 can do for your legacy.

It’s called the QB stat padder.

I mean we know how Sanchez turned out but he went 5th overall and had similar numbers to Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm I think Philly will be a nice test for him. They are struggling a bit but still have a bunch of talent.

I generally agree. However, it would be great to see a monster game once against a good team from Allen. This feels a little Mark sanchez like. And that’s fine because I love a playoff run but it makes me nervous long term.

Honest question: if Mayfield or Mahomes are the Bills qb, what’s our record? Any different? And you can never know but I bet we beat NE with Mahomes.

But you were kinda putting down what Mahomes is doing. He doesn’t have his LT, pro bowl C, McCoy, Hill, Watkins have been hurt and he’s still producing. Also, his defense is ? so he is under crazy pressure to carry them. imagine if the Bears drafted him.