C.Biscuit97

There is no merit based on coaching. You can’t be evaluated for jobs you aren’t getting! If Brian Daboll was some poor black kid in Chicago instead of Hamburg, he’s not where he is right now. That’s the whole point. We can’t evaluate how a minority would do in the position because not a lot are given the opportunity. And Daboll is crappy bad it’s insane how he gets such a pass here. If he was McDermott’s first OC, he would have been fired. Brice Arians made it point to hire black coaches because he recognized how lacking it is.

Yes, trying to make something close to 100% would be the definition of racist.

Dude, we were doing so good. You don’t see how terrible comparing a white cb is to hiring a minority coach? Come on boss, this is just stupid. Every white person who plays cb has a chance to make the nfl. But since Jason Sehorn, none have been physically able to. There isn’t a combine for coaches and nfl executives. Brian Daboll isn’t in the nfl and keeping getting jobs with his awful resume because he runs a 4.3. He was friends with the right people. Tre White isn’t a star nfl cb because he was friends with the right people. It’s insane to compare the 2.

Huh? You want a boost for 98% of the white coaching/ front office candidates?

???? for the record, my name is just a pun on Bennett and sea biscuit. I was young but I remember him being slightly overrated. Very good but should have been great especially playing with Bruce. My young mind remembers that our defense was soft and should have been much better with the players we had.

Oh I give him credit. He picked a lane and a group to cater to and he’s made himself a bigger platform. But he knows what he’s doing with his tweets.

Clay Travis right on time. Gotta give him credit. The dude who crieD about ESPN being political now has a platform that makes everything political.

I thought Shurmur was a joke when the Browns hired him. He seemed scared. and I looked it up about Smith and that was part of it but there is this article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2751561-report-bill-obrien-rick-smith-have-toxic-and-dysfunctional-relationship.amp.html

Dude, it’s been respectful in this whole conversation. What is this point you are trying to get across? Because it makes no sense. Every human being is allowed to play the sport of football. Some of more capable than others and make the nfl. I played through college but the sole reason I didn’t make it in the nfl was because I wasn’t good enough. It’s a physical thing. guys aren’t given the shot to get top level nfl jobs. It has nothing to do with physical skills. It’s a subjective process that is based largely on nepotism.

The coach who was terrible in Cleveland was terrible in NJ. It’s not revisionist to think a bad head coach would be bad again. It’s like expecting Johnny Manziel to be good on another team. But he was given 2 shots at it before people get 1. and the whole point is there aren’t enough in the positions to get the opportunity! How many minority coordinators are there? another good example is Rick Smith. He built a Texans team that makes the playoffs every year. He gets fired because he doesn’t get along with BOB who has been an absolute disaster as a GM. He’s out of the league. Jerry Reese built SB Giants teams and he was never given another shot.

I fells this way too and I’ve done it for a lot of Bills qbs before. I think Allen is the best leader we’ve had in a long time but it always worries me he has never been a dominate player really on any level with all of his skills. side question, what happened with Marcus? He made me nervous as prospect but then had a really nice 2nd year.

But that’s the whole point? How can you if more aren’t given the chance? Look in Miami. Sadly, they seemed to have rebuilt one of worst teams in a long time in one year. And Shurmur sucked in Clelveland and he sucked in NJ. He’s a terrible head coach who has gotten multiple chances.

70% of the nfl is black. It’s not the rest of the US population. You don’t think any of those 70% over the years were qualified to have a leadership job?

I just brought up Pat Shurmur and his 19-46 record in his second head coaching stint! I gotta go but I respect the conversation. When threads like this come up and how background of this board is, I know how it’s going to go. But the thing that has gotten lost in this country is you can disagree with someone but still respect them. Have a good one. This is very lazy.

But it’s so subjective. Mike Tomlin might not have been a shot if the Steelers didn’t hire him. Eric Bienenemy (sp) had about as good of a resume of any coach on the market this year. a scrub like Pat Shurmur has gotten 2 head coaching jobs and went 19-46. His uncle was a former nfl DC. Who’s to say a minority coach won’t have done better if given those chances.

I think it’s a great back and forth. If you are minority who struggled to get your foot in the door for so long in this country, you would take every opportunity you have to get ahead. If you are a white man, it sucks to lose on an opportunity that you are more than qualified for because of your skin color. Why does Matt Patricia get 3 years while Steve Wilkes gets one and will never get again?

Yeah, it’s like people from Bills and Buffalo have such a small minded persecution complex. I’m from Buffalo and I’m so proud of it. But man we are sensitive. We get a lot more love than hate. if the Bills ever make the SB, they were be the most overwhelming pick of fans who’s team is not in the game.

I agree. Definitely not the right idea but I give the nfl, one of the slowest to change leagues, credit for attempting to think outside the box. Yikes

I mean this with the upmost respect because I’ve been guilty of this. But why not post when you are in a better place? Because for This board that I’m guessing is overwhelming white and probably of a certain philosophy, I think it is a pretty civil conversation right now. and with all due respect, the comparison of being a player in the nfl and being a coach/ executive is painfully terrible. Every person can try to play in the nfl. Not every person is friends with Bill Polian’s son or had a dad like Todd Haley (college golfer, dad was a Steelers exec) to get hook up with. It’s not a valid comparison in the slightest.

Honestly, it’s hard conversation to have if you’re aren’t a minority. It’s going to be hard to fully get it. Same way that a minority shouldn’t think every white person is racist because they are against affirmative action. It would be great to think every person is given an equal shot to succeed in America but it’s simply not true. And In sport where you’re the majority of the population and you’re still not getting the leadership jobs, it kinda sucks. It’s a tough conversation

Appreciate the post. What if hockey, which is like 95% white, had like 25 minority coaches? I mean that would be wild and they would be super progressive but it won’t make a ton of sense right? i think the point is that crappy white coaches and exes get completely recycled over and over again. Take Brian Daboll. Imo, I’m sure he knows a ton of football but his resume is awful. How many minority candidates are getting hired over and over again with that crappy resume? He was friends with Polian’s son in high school (2 other guys got GM jobs who were friends with Brian Polian too) and has made the right connections. So good off him but he is not getting jobs because of his resume. He is getting jobs because of his connections.

It’s complicated for sure. It would nice to have a rational conversation but it’s like discussing the best rap song on a country music board. the number of black players in the nfl is ~70%. So when you understand it that way, the number of Black guys in leadership positions is extremely low. again this is different than being a player where you can judge how they perform on their field. These jobs are very subjective and they are based on who you know. It’s like a country club and it’s hard to become a member. not sure this is the right way but if you were a minority, it’s a start I guess.

You’re also the same guy who has crushed Reid for years and he just won a SB. Why is it crazy to think a team in the NFC championship game with one good wr might win a SB with a receiver upgrade to one of the greatest qbs ever. GB is going to look back at some of the decisions they made and regret that didn’t win more SBs with one of the best QBs ever. Dom Capers’ toupee.

But what are the other options? Ozzie Newsome and Mike Tomlin are the best at what they do and it has caused no traction at all. And you have dudes who are terrible at their jobs who constantly get opportunity after opportunity.

I really like Frazier but I don’t think he will ever be a good head coach. Seems like a great guy but a little Dick Jauron ish. Plus, McDermott has such an impact on the defense.