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Ah, a textbook Weo argument. Don’t include turnovers, qb rating, rushing, current ages to make it look closer than it is. Because if you did that, dalton - 85 QBs rating, 66 ints, 11 rushing tds, current age 32. dak - 97 qb rating, 36 ints, 21 rushing tds, current age 26. i respect your sneakiness Weo. Almost sold it. also, I present Peyton Manning’s 1st 4 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm ? and please don’t twist this like Dak is going to be better than Manning but the guy has been good and some of you are working real hard to discredit him. Like you do with almost every young qb (should I pull out the Mahomes training camp int thread?). If Allen comes close to Dak, we will be begging the Bulls to pay him. We went 7-9 with Trent and JP. We went 9/7 with Ej and Orton.

1) QBs wins are the most overrated stat. No matter how we try to do it, football is the ultimate team game. It’s one if the reasons I’m not sold on Allen. I think a lot of QbS could have got us to the playoffs last year 2) Dak is 40-24 and delivered the only playoff Dallas win in 20 years.i think he is better than Goff, Tannehill and just as good as Wentz (who can’t stay healthy). If those dudes can get paid, he should too.

But then you’re stuck. Goff was in the MVP conversation a couple years ago. He might not be great but it’s silly to just think any guy can just step in. I liked Dalton more than most. He’s probably the best back up in the league. But it’s a little silly to just assume he’s replace what Dak did since never has in his career. you get stuck in qb purgatory. But if you put a Goff, Tannehill, Alex Smith on the Bills, they won’t have had a 17 year playoff drought. But they aren’t really getting you anywhere long term. It’s a crappy no win situation. Josh Allen right now is not more valuable to the Bills than Tre White. Personally, I don’t think he will ever be as good at his position as Tre is at his. But he potentially could make over 2 times as much. That’s crazy.

It was a total joke. But a lot do and it’s silly to pretend like they don’t. I just hate double standards. Oliver made a very dumb decision and he’s lucky it didn’t end up worse. Hopefully, this is the worst thing he ever does. But it is laughable how high and mighty some fans get when a lot of them have done as stupid or stupider things than him. Glass houses.

Just curious. What qbs do you think are better than Dak?

Really stupid especially now. A lot of holier than thou types though. I did a study and 87.49% of fans drive drunk home from Bills games. Hopefully, this is wake up call and it never happens again.

Make it 20 yards to convert and it adds a ton more strategy to games. I would seeing teams try this early in games. You could come out in your kickoff team and audible to run a play against their kick return team. It would be awesome. Teams barely recover onside kicks anyways. And if you played, you know how dangerous onside kicks are. It was just a chance to murder or get murder.

In hindsight, we should have probably drafted him. But he will be one if the few qbs who will deserve his money. the nfl needs to do something about this though. It’s a joke how much qbs who aren’t good are getting paid.

This thread gets wilder and wilder. We would do bad things to have Allen come close to what Dak has produced as a passer and would beg the Bills to pay him whatever he wanted. I wish this board would look at Bills qbs as “objectively” as they look at other teams qbs. and I swear, some posters never watch any other games besides Bills games. All this argument seems to cling on is he didn’t play well against the Bills so he sucks. Pretty stupid to judge a guy off one game. Garrett was a great clapper. Almost on Sean’s level. Almost.

And this is exactly why you need to go all in now. Those 2nd qb contract murder teams unless you have one of those special guys. Haha. It’s hilarious how Bills fans evaluate their qbs to how they evaluate other teams qbs. Guy throws for 5000 yards and 36 tds sucks. We get 200 yards passing, we are awesome. Such double standards. Oh my god, these board is so wild in their qb takes haha

I think it got reported as not true. But if I’m in Dak’s camp, I’m getting more than Goff and every penny what Wentz got.

First Of all, salute to using a cross racial comparison. Very impressive. and I get that comparison. I think Dak is better and more accomplished at a much younger age than Cousins (Cousins won his first playoff game at 31, Dak at 25). And I would not be shocked if Dak was a QB of a champion one day. He’s good but probably not great. I think the bigger problem is how much qbs get paid compared to the rest of team. Like Jimmy G wasn’t close to the best player on the 49ers but got paid a lot of money before he really accomplished anything. If I was other positions, I’d be pissed at what average qbs are getting paid.

Yeah, touching anyone against their will is creepy and a crime. But what Brad Pitt calls flirting is sexual harassment from Danny Devito. Good looking people have a lot more leeway in life. ? And I wish this was the case. But in the real world, it’s simply not for a lot of people. Also as this case showed, there’s real double standards to this behavior because of gender.

It’s not true but if Allen throws for almost 5,000 yards last year, completes 66% of his passes, has a career 97 td to 36 int, a 97 QBs rating, and has a win-loss record of 40-24 (overrated stat but still), we would pay him a billion dollars. I don’t see Dak as An all time great but he’s a good young qb. He’s borderline top 10. And given what he’s played for as a 4th rounder, he deserves to get a monster deal.

Guy’s a hero. This has happened to me at least 20 times but because of my gender, I was afraid to report it. Thank you Vince Wilfork for your service. ??

If he puts up numbers, he will be. And that’s my worry. Diggs could play major role in the offense and not have the numbers to show for it. Julio Jones’ numbers don’t come close to reflecting what he means to the Falcons. Diggs should draw coverage to help out other receivers but will he happy doing that? He wasn’t in Minnesota. I think it could be a Disaster if Allen has to force him the ball.

Bandit, this isn’t really directed at you because you are one of the most rational posters here. But with all due respect, I think this is a cop out. 1). What was EJ’s drop rate? Or JP’s? Or trent’s? Here’s a stat I found. At the being of the 2018 season, Derek Carr had the most drops. Followed by Eli and Blake Bortles. https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Raiders/status/1004801086409068546 2) the top 10 of team dropped passes is a pretty terrible list of qbs. http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 miami, Pittsburgh’s garbage after Big Ben, Brady (who everyone here said was washed up but imagine his numbers with those drops!), Chicago (Mitch), Dak (who had amazing numbers. Imagine if he had average receivers how great those would be), Carolina, washed up Rivers, Colts, and Browns. Also, 3) not every drop is the same. I would bet less accurate have more drops than accurate qbs (per attempts because Brees throws a lot more than other QBs). There needs to be a way to chart how catchable each qb is. again, the great thing is Allen has all the pieces around him and can change the narrative. But it’s not like this is some blimp on his radar. He’s never hit this benchmark. As Parcells says, you are what your record says you are. To this point, Allen has been a very accurate qb no matter how some try to change this narrative.

Hope he sees this bro. ? seems like a great dude and hopefully he turns into a great QB. I’d do bad things to be 24 again. (and to be consistent, this is where I point out Lamar Jackson just turned 23 ?)

Ok, that’s fair. Jackson was essentially top 10 in ypa.

Why? I assume you think Allen can improve? Why can’t Jackson?

No one is going to admit that here. If it was Allen, it is the receiver’s fault. If it’s Jackson or another qb, it’s their fault. it’s fine. We’re a Bills board but it’s far from objective.

Hot take. This team could go to the SB with Fitz. ?

He’s never gotten over 60% in any season in any level. So yes for him, it’s a big difference. Because if it was as fluky with a completion here or a completion there, he would have done it, especially against the subpar competition he was playing against before the nfl. hopefully, he puts it to bed but to dismiss it like some do is pretty foolish.

Because Josh Allen is the only young qb who is able to improve. Jackson is only getting to get worse. It’s just facts.

This doesn’t make sense since Thielen had better numbers in every year he wasn’t hurt. The guys you named were clear number 2s. In terms of production, Thielen was their #1. I think they are both 1A and 1B and they both benefited from playing with each other. How much do teams blitz Allen in comparison to other QBs? With mobile guys who aren’t the most accurate, a lot of the strategy tends to be keep them in the pocket with controlled rush lanes and play zone. Force them to pick you apart from the pocket.