C.Biscuit97

To nit pick Watkins (if he could stay healthy) could have been a monster but played with some of the worst qbs in the league dareus was an all pro and one of the best young DTs before his contract they traded down for EJ and got Kiko, who ended up being McCoy leodis was a solid number 2 cb. Not a star but you could do worse. that said if our qb was Brady instead of Tyrod, Orton the coward, EJ, and whoever, all those players look better. People make this harder than it needs to be. on our current situation, they built a strong team that doesn’t need great qb play right now. Now with a tougher schedule, this team will be determined by how good Allen becomes. But if he can’t be a franchise guy on this team, I highly doubt he ever becomes one. But if Allen becomes legit, this team is a SB contender. If not, it’s like the 2002 and 2015 teams, which imo were both superior to last years team.

I think this is especially true for teams with great qbs. IMO, the major difference between the Bills and Pats of the last 10 years is Qb. Our drafts have been pretty on par with these. They just have the GOAT and we have had arguably bottom 10 QBs.

For sure the D came up big (that’s what she said ?). But that was some of the worst play calling I’ve ever seen in my life. If I was running the Browns, I would have fired Kitchens after the game. They would bring on heavy personnel at like the 5 and take OBJ and Landry off the field. So stupid.

I do think it is an interesting question. If you weighed where they played (you deserve more credit for better stats in the SEC than the MWC), in the last 10 years (maybe even longer), has there been a 1st round qb with a less impressive college resume than Allen? Gabbert was up there and he sucks. But I struggle to think of many more.

With all due respect, how does this make any sense? The guy produced two top 10 qb picks in 5 years at Wyoming and North Dakota State!!! That is the ultimate sign of great coaching. Maybe Allen’s college coaching isn’t this pee wee football coaching you thought. While great college stats predict nothing in the nfl, it is extremely rare to find guys who didn’t dominant becoming greatplayers in the NFL. Allen was rarely dominant in the MWC. He has struggled to maintain a dominant game in the pros so far. That’s what worries me long term. I think he will be a guy we will always debate because he will always lack consistency. He has never done it on any level, even a lower tier D 1 conference and now he is going to do it in the NFL? That seems like a huge bet to make. luckily, they have built a really strong team around him and he doesn’t really have to win games now.

Again, his college coach was Carson Wentz’s. How many coaches have produced two top 10 picks qbs in history, much less than 5 years apart? And that’s some of us aren’t as sold on Allen. It’s the nfl and it’s never been easier to play qb. We are trying to make a guy be better in the nfl than he was at Wyoming. It’s insanely risky and it’s not like we have brilliant offensive minds coaching him here.

I think it does. I think if Allen comes even close to what Dak is doing (he’s not close as a passer at all), some of the same people putting down Dak would be begging the Bills to pay Allen. There are just double standards some fans have. i think besides the top guys, most qbs on their second contract are insanely overpaid and it kills teams long term. But given what qbs have gotten recently, Dak certainly deserves his payday.

It’s weird that some of the biggest pro Allen people are against Dak. Do people think Allen is better than Dak?

Do you Josh Allen winning a SB?

Completely reasonable what you’re saying. Especially now. But most people in his position would do that same thing. Can’t really compare pro sports to regular jobs.

Ah, a textbook Weo argument. Don’t include turnovers, qb rating, rushing, current ages to make it look closer than it is. Because if you did that, dalton - 85 QBs rating, 66 ints, 11 rushing tds, current age 32. dak - 97 qb rating, 36 ints, 21 rushing tds, current age 26. i respect your sneakiness Weo. Almost sold it. also, I present Peyton Manning’s 1st 4 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm ? and please don’t twist this like Dak is going to be better than Manning but the guy has been good and some of you are working real hard to discredit him. Like you do with almost every young qb (should I pull out the Mahomes training camp int thread?). If Allen comes close to Dak, we will be begging the Bulls to pay him. We went 7-9 with Trent and JP. We went 9/7 with Ej and Orton.

1) QBs wins are the most overrated stat. No matter how we try to do it, football is the ultimate team game. It’s one if the reasons I’m not sold on Allen. I think a lot of QbS could have got us to the playoffs last year 2) Dak is 40-24 and delivered the only playoff Dallas win in 20 years.i think he is better than Goff, Tannehill and just as good as Wentz (who can’t stay healthy). If those dudes can get paid, he should too.

But then you’re stuck. Goff was in the MVP conversation a couple years ago. He might not be great but it’s silly to just think any guy can just step in. I liked Dalton more than most. He’s probably the best back up in the league. But it’s a little silly to just assume he’s replace what Dak did since never has in his career. you get stuck in qb purgatory. But if you put a Goff, Tannehill, Alex Smith on the Bills, they won’t have had a 17 year playoff drought. But they aren’t really getting you anywhere long term. It’s a crappy no win situation. Josh Allen right now is not more valuable to the Bills than Tre White. Personally, I don’t think he will ever be as good at his position as Tre is at his. But he potentially could make over 2 times as much. That’s crazy.

It was a total joke. But a lot do and it’s silly to pretend like they don’t. I just hate double standards. Oliver made a very dumb decision and he’s lucky it didn’t end up worse. Hopefully, this is the worst thing he ever does. But it is laughable how high and mighty some fans get when a lot of them have done as stupid or stupider things than him. Glass houses.

Just curious. What qbs do you think are better than Dak?

Really stupid especially now. A lot of holier than thou types though. I did a study and 87.49% of fans drive drunk home from Bills games. Hopefully, this is wake up call and it never happens again.

Make it 20 yards to convert and it adds a ton more strategy to games. I would seeing teams try this early in games. You could come out in your kickoff team and audible to run a play against their kick return team. It would be awesome. Teams barely recover onside kicks anyways. And if you played, you know how dangerous onside kicks are. It was just a chance to murder or get murder.

In hindsight, we should have probably drafted him. But he will be one if the few qbs who will deserve his money. the nfl needs to do something about this though. It’s a joke how much qbs who aren’t good are getting paid.

This thread gets wilder and wilder. We would do bad things to have Allen come close to what Dak has produced as a passer and would beg the Bills to pay him whatever he wanted. I wish this board would look at Bills qbs as “objectively” as they look at other teams qbs. and I swear, some posters never watch any other games besides Bills games. All this argument seems to cling on is he didn’t play well against the Bills so he sucks. Pretty stupid to judge a guy off one game. Garrett was a great clapper. Almost on Sean’s level. Almost.

And this is exactly why you need to go all in now. Those 2nd qb contract murder teams unless you have one of those special guys. Haha. It’s hilarious how Bills fans evaluate their qbs to how they evaluate other teams qbs. Guy throws for 5000 yards and 36 tds sucks. We get 200 yards passing, we are awesome. Such double standards. Oh my god, these board is so wild in their qb takes haha

I think it got reported as not true. But if I’m in Dak’s camp, I’m getting more than Goff and every penny what Wentz got.

First Of all, salute to using a cross racial comparison. Very impressive. and I get that comparison. I think Dak is better and more accomplished at a much younger age than Cousins (Cousins won his first playoff game at 31, Dak at 25). And I would not be shocked if Dak was a QB of a champion one day. He’s good but probably not great. I think the bigger problem is how much qbs get paid compared to the rest of team. Like Jimmy G wasn’t close to the best player on the 49ers but got paid a lot of money before he really accomplished anything. If I was other positions, I’d be pissed at what average qbs are getting paid.

Yeah, touching anyone against their will is creepy and a crime. But what Brad Pitt calls flirting is sexual harassment from Danny Devito. Good looking people have a lot more leeway in life. ? And I wish this was the case. But in the real world, it’s simply not for a lot of people. Also as this case showed, there’s real double standards to this behavior because of gender.

It’s not true but if Allen throws for almost 5,000 yards last year, completes 66% of his passes, has a career 97 td to 36 int, a 97 QBs rating, and has a win-loss record of 40-24 (overrated stat but still), we would pay him a billion dollars. I don’t see Dak as An all time great but he’s a good young qb. He’s borderline top 10. And given what he’s played for as a 4th rounder, he deserves to get a monster deal.

Guy’s a hero. This has happened to me at least 20 times but because of my gender, I was afraid to report it. Thank you Vince Wilfork for your service. ??