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Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Jacoby Brissett all had statistically their best games against this defense. We’re 2-2 in those games against scrubs.

Oh yeah, I’m not advocating cutting him, that’s just some of the frustration going on with other folks, but what I thought was the issue all along turned out to be correct: Tre is healed from the ACL injury and after the strenuous rehab has gotten his strength back in the knee, but isn’t satisfied with how he’s looked going against NFL receivers in practice. We’re talking about an all pro player, ego is real! He doesn’t want to look bad with millions watching. In all seriousness, only Tre knows his timeline, but the organization probably needs to start gently nudging him. We understand it’s a 2 year process to get everything back, Tre. We don’t expect all pro caliber this year, but your leadership and knowledge are needed on the field.

“At some point we’ve got to go” Puts the holdout squarely on White, not the organization, but does so in an understanding McD way.

I think you missed McD’s thoughts on this from a few days ago. “At some point you just have to go.” I think the decision is entirely Tre’s and the organization has been supportive and in his corner up until this point. The longer this draws out, you start to see chinks in that support, especially with teammates playing under various ailments.

Agree with all the above except the bolded. He was running flat out full speed towards the pylon. I don’t know if you’ve played sports, but when you have your full momentum going one way it’s impossible to change direction without slowing down. If he slowed down to cut it up he runs into the defender anyway as that guy was behind the play and had the angle. He didn’t think the defender also had the speed to catch him. The fault on that conversion is for Gilliam missing his block. Also, I find it curious McK hasn’t been crucified for what he was doing on Josh’s first pick against the Vikes last week. I heard others mention he just stood out of bounds the entire play, but I didn’t realize the extent to which how bad it was. It was a benchable offense. He was literally run out of the play by Peterson and then stood in place as Allen ran his way and Peterson intercepted the pass. At a bare minimum, when Allen was running that direction McK either has to run the opposite direction to pull his defender away from Allen, or block his defender from tackling his QB in the event he should run. He did neither, just stood and watched everything for a good 5 seconds from out of bounds. Didn’t even pursue Peterson after the INT.

Might as well go ahead and give Mahomes that league MVP trophy.

I wonder how Kelce would do in this offense with Josh’s lack of reliance for the TE.

Because Edmunds would've held in check all those big plays the DBs gave up in the second half? Like I said, I don’t want to see the likes of you criticizing Edmunds when he gives up plays. No wishy washiness allowed.

Edmunds just doesn’t move the needle enough for me on most game days. Milano is the heartbeat of the defense. To all those whining about how much Edmunds is missed, I don’t want to hear any criticisms about him when the defense gives up plays with him on the field.

Cousins was dropping absolute dimes in the face of pressure last week. So many pinpoint accurate passes where he just looked like he was throwing the ball up for grabs. Brissett was also playing out of his mind against the Bills but didn’t get much help from his supporting cast. We’re getting these teams best shots, no doubt. And Buffalo can’t get out of their own way. It’s been a perfect storm.

I suppose my standard for what constitutes a “fantastic” run defender is quite different than yours.

I’d be willing to bet the decision to play or not to play has entirely been White’s to this point. The link I referenced where McD said “at some point you just have to go” supports that.

McD on Tre White sitting out All but confirms what I suspected was the issue all along. Tre doesn’t want to hit the field until he feels closer to the player he once was. Bills have been patient to this point, but as McD says “at some point you’ve got to go.” He’s been medically cleared, has practiced for weeks, there’s nothing wrong physically, it’s on Tre to step up and play.

The irony is that he was probably better than Rodger Saffold has been this year, but I don’t see him going to any team. OL has to be one of the most difficult positions to go from sitting on your couch, or even working out, to suddenly trying to impose your will on other 300+ pound guys.

Would‘ve been nice to have Edmunds, but he isn’t a strong run defender anyway.

Murph is the one voice I never really liked on Bills radio. His voice and the high pitched “touchdown! Touchdown, Buffalo!” never liked it. That’s the extent of his passion for the game right there.

Love Knox the person, but that was a bad contract extension.

I thought Bates quietly turned around his season a couple games ago. I saw him matched up one on one a few times in pass pro and just stonewalled the DT.

Heineke looking very Josh Allen like on that last INT 😅

Tre’s issue isn’t physical, he healed from the ACL surgery long ago. He put himself through a strenuous rehab, has been cleared by team doctors to play, and is no longer designated on the injury list. He even took off the red practice jersey. I get the sense he isn’t his old self yet and he knows it. He doesn’t want to step on the field until he’s closer to that version of himself. I remember Diggs saying a few weeks ago when he had a rep against Tre that it was good to run with him again and he can’t wait to get back to the battles the two have had. I thought that was a nice way of saying “Tre isn’t Tre yet.” But in the world of professional sports, at some point he’s going to have to get out there even if he doesn’t feel like his Pro Bowl self. Teammates are counting on him, his presence and knowledge is needed just as much. Weeks ago Frazier said just that: Tre is close and we can’t wait to get his positive energy back on the field. He’s gotta come out of hiding and work his way back to the player he used to be - and not entirely in a practice setting, I don’t think that’d be fair to his teammates who are gutting out various other ailments. I said it before, barring snow, I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t suit up against the Browns. The pressure on the organization only intensifies after losses and that pressure should force Tre out of witpro. Let’s see what happens Sunday.

I haven’t read everything in this thread, but Dorsey only calls the plays, it’s on Allen and the rest of the offense to execute. Dorsey has to be better, no doubt, I’m not arguing that - and my main issue is with the lack of a running game - but if Patrick Mahomes was QB of the Bills, with Dorsey as the play caller, how would that offense look? And what would the Bills record be? Players play and coaches coach, Allen has to be better.

This is new to me, which roughing call? Do you mean the pass interference? How was Edmunds horsing around?

Not saying the Bills should have kept throwing, I said in another post on the drive the Bills went for the TD instead of the FG, 2nd and 2, at least one of those play calls has to be a rushing attempt. I was just wondering what the splits were by half because they had no success the few times they attempted to run in the 2nd half. Why was MIN able to take that away all of a sudden? While still putting clamps on the passing game? That was not a great defense the Bills were playing against, as has been the excuse the past two weeks.

With the amount of negativity bubbling to the surface, reports of internal strife, and the team’s secondary struggles, put me on record as saying I’ll be surprised if Tre White doesn’t suit up against the Browns.

What were the rushing numbers by half? In the 1st half they were successful, but seems every run in the 2nd half gained a yard.