Brand J

I think Whaley’s scouts, both pro and draft, were better than Beane’s scouts. I don’t remember so many premium failures (high draft picks/costly FAs) under Whaley like Beane has had, but maybe that’s just recency bias. Beane got the one thing right that failed Whaley (QB).

Demonstrably showing up Allen on the sidelines, bailing on his teammates early before being talked back into the locker room (only to again be the first one out), and now deleting the Bills from those he follows (still follows the Terapins I might add). Look, it’s his prerogative who he follows or doesn’t, I don’t care, but when the team is deliberately removed after some very public outbursts, you don’t consider any of it antics? Or were you unaware his behavior going back to the Bengals game and even in season when McD grabbed him on the sideline and had a heart to heart before letting him go to the bench?

It’s a shame these antics couldn’t have started before signing the lucrative extension.

Levi was and always has been a standup guy, so I’m not surprised he took the blame. With that said, the coverage on both offensive plays was horrendous. Essentially if Levi played up on Kelce, got his hands on him, whatever, you’d still be looking at single coverage on the Chiefs best or 2nd best weapon. Hill and Kelce should’ve been doubled both plays at a minimum.

Perhaps he doesn’t play quick, but his lateral movement skills tested as “elite” for a player at his size and weight. His 6.74 3 cone in particular is freakish.

The hilarious part was that I was thinking of doing the same thing, but also including a 3rd - Jason Statham. In a certain light he could pass as a scruffy McDermott.

I didn’t get that sense at all listening to both pressers.

Especially when the same game plan was looking shoddy only a few weeks prior, but no, let’s not try to emulate anything the Ravens did to slow down Burrow. Off coverage in nickel will get it done!

The reporter was certainly correct in that neither Beane nor McD seemed overly concerned or bothered by Frazier’s “request” for time off. Beane hedged when asked if he’d be back with the team next season. Add in the fact that McD was non-committal about both coordinators returning in 2023 and I think it’s clear to see he was pushed out rather than just wanting time away. We as fans will never get the full story, of course. Neither will the media or the players on the team. The full reasons for his exodus will be as secretive and off-limits as the “13 seconds” debacle.

At the beginning of the year, this team chose to throw $13M/yr at Dawson Knox rather than save that money to put it towards Edmunds next contract. I thought that was pretty telling that he wasn’t coming back, as well as who the organization valued more at that price point.

Also didn’t get the feeling that Beane would want him back next season.

MIN was number 1, they scored at least an A- in all categories.

Some in here get the point, while others contradict themselves defending Frazier. I said it after the season ended - I’d be surprised if he was back with the Bills. Didn’t know how it’d happen, only that it would. Surprise, surprise.

Goodell makes more money than any player in the league. I don’t like how he’s handled refereeing, saying it’s the best it’s ever been. He’s done well to expand the game globally, which puts more money in owners’ pockets, so that’s why he’s loved. I think a perfect mix of on-field play would be between Goodell’s league (soft) and Tagliabue’s (violent). Wouldn’t mind if Goodell was shown the door.

Wasn’t Beane asked point blank if Leslie wasn’t stepping away would he be back as DC? And then Beane confirmed? I wouldn’t expect for that to go any other way. They can tell the media what they want, but the only people who know the entire truth are those who were in on the meeting (Beane/Frazier/McD/Pegula). You can take it at face value, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t accept it as 100% truth.

A demotion to secondary coach or the like very well could’ve been on the table. I would’ve been surprised if the Bills went into 2023 with Leslie Frazier as DC, so this news is not at all surprising to me, however it went down.

To me it isn’t even about his inability to slow down Mahomes and Burrow, there aren’t many teams who can. I mean, you’d like more resistance than tissue paper, sure, but I didn’t think it defined Frazier necessarily. When I think about his tenure, I think back to the Houston game on that 3rd and 18, when the players were lined up so far back that they weren’t in position to make a stop after the ball was thrown 8 yards. I think about the second half collapse against Indy as well. He’s almost always had a plan for Lamar Jackson, so I will most definitely give him his flowers there. But his conservative approach has shown to backfire time and time again but it’s all he knows, so he can do no different when the chips are on the table. Again, it was time for a change.

My definition of “good” is quite different from yours. You can put together the regular season stats that hoist Frazier on a pedestal, but the playoffs is where it counts. There’s more middling to bad teams we’ll face in the regular season than there are in the playoffs. When going against good offenses we’ve seen the result. Not over a year, not over 2 years, not even over 3. It was time for a change.

Coaches also have to put players in the best position to make said plays. Go ahead and disagree with or eyeroll this rebuttal as well. 🙄

The defense with or without Frazier was going to take a step back next season regardless. At least on paper. If they perform better than they have thus far in the postseason - which is all most of us are asking/hoping for - it’ll be condemning for Frazier.

Wouldn’t expect him to say otherwise. It’s akin to asking “was this decision entirely Frazier’s?” Of course the Bills (and Beane) are going to say yes, even if it wasn’t.

Ok so all of them. Yeah, I suppose the consistent failure would take a mental toll.

Which year?

After listening to Beane’s presser, I think you all can put to rest the health speculations. It was clear to me this decision was made in the best interest of the Bills - even though they’re painting it as “Frazier wants time off.” The team wants to go in a different direction and Beane didn’t rule out McD calling the plays; which is exactly what I said should happen before all this went down.

“Classy” and “likable” mean nothing in sports if the job isn’t getting done. It’s a cutthroat industry, all that matters is results. If Frazier was a total d*ck, but called a defense that played above the talent he had on the field. No one would care. McD has now parted ways with both of his initial coordinators. Our HC is classy and likable as well, but if the Bills don’t show progress, guess who’s next on the chopping block?