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Kaiir Elam was NOT a reach. Cole Strange, THAT was a reach.

"Man, I'm feeling great! We're gonna win the Super Bowl man!"

Wouldn't surprise me either. My stance is that none of these guys left over are someone you count on as anything more than spot duty at this point. I was referring to fans who were saying we just sign Joe Haden or Xavier Rhodes and we were good to go without having to Draft anyone.

"Beane doesn't value CB2 and won't spend a 1st" "The plan is still to sign a veteran CB, we may not even draft one at all" 😆😆😆😆😆

I'd have assumed you'd have been thrilled because his arms aren't under 30". He was the guy they liked. He has the speed neither has. A lot of people *ahem* said something similar when we drafted Josh Allen. Reports are Dallas liked Elam. Even if they weren't going to take him, if he was their guy above all others, why risk the possibility of someone possibly trading in front of us in Dallas' slot to take him with teams knowing we needed CB? Relax.

I'm just thrilled Beane got a CB he wanted in Round 1. I spent the whole Draft process being told CB in Round 1 wasn't necessary and I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to it.

I'd really like someone to do another NFL Draft movie and do it more accurately to the reality this time. Since when is 2 1st's and a 3rd to acquire the #1 Pick in the Draft during a year that has a Franchise QB in the pool something you balk at?

Love: 7 - Sauce Gardner (Trade Up) 57 - Kenneth Walker III Expect: 25 - Andrew Booth Jr. 57 - Alec Pierce Settle For: 25 - Kyler Gordon 57 - Calvin Austin III

Touché 😆 Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating any higher than a 5th for Araiza.

Some names I'm surprised to see they didn't meet with: DB Daxton Hill WR Christian Watson WR Skyy Moore WR Alec Pierce RB Kenneth Walker III

If Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley, Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams (surely all 4 of these are gone), Chris Olave, Andrew Booth, and Trent McDuffie are all gone by 25 (and we haven't moved up to secure one of them) - Kyler Gordon would probably top the list of my "okay, that works, I'm fine with it at 25" picks that also include Daxton Hill, Kaiir Elam, Christian Watson, and Breece Hall. Though I think like many have pointed out, I'd prefer to move down and pick up more pick(s) to use to move up from 57 with to secure a couple from that list or someone like Skyy Moore, Roger McCreary, Kenneth Walker III, Alec Pierce, or Tariq Woolen (all of which might not be there at 57), in conjunction with one of those 5 guys I mentioned.

Exactly this. I feel this was always the plan and his not addressing the CB position in any way confirms it in my mind. The vets that are left over are not the type you should feel comfortable rolling with by themselves. They're all 30 or older, injury prone, haven't started a full season in some time, and/or have declined in play. They're the type you rotate in and that provide depth. I think we'll sign someone when guys get desperate before camp. But it will be in conjunction with someone we draft in Round 1 or Round 2.

He drafts 1 CB within the first two rounds (maybe doubles up over the span of the entire draft), 1 WR with an emphasis on speed within the first 3 rounds (also maybe doubles up by the end), a RB that provides pass catching ability and speed somewhere between rounds 2-4, and a God of Punting for good measure 😛

But of that list, how many were 1st Round talents comparable to Trent McDuffie? Zero. It's not fair to compare what he's put on film and his scouting report against guys who were not at his level. There are quite a few Undrafted Free Agents on that list.

The only "fact" you've proven is that outside CB's way more often than not have longer arms. There isn't any real data of late on how a prospect the calibur of McDuffie performed at the next level. Comparing 5th and 3rd round picks who came into the league just last season is not a fair comparison. That's because it's not as simple to find as you've made it seem. You can search combine measurements year by year, but there's no database you can look at of Cornerbacks throughout history that have arms under 30".

Exactly my point. One negative trait doesn't discount everything. It's fair to have a concern about a prospects measurements. But it's unfair to discount 3 years of high level production and everything else on a scouting report for one thing. Doubly unfair to compare him to players that entered the league with a fraction of his expectations to begin with.

"Here we go again" as in you, specifically, beating a dead horse. Pretty sure this isn't the first or even the second post I've had this same conversation with you in. "Stubborn" would be to completely disqualify a player's potential and disregard everything in a scouting report for one thing. I can understand having concerns about his measurements. I'm not disqualifying it. But I cannot understand completely dismissing a players potential and every other trait a player provides because of one thing. His NFL.com scouting report reads: In 2018, the scuttlebutt on this board was we couldn't possibly draft Josh Allen because a QB has never drastically improved accuracy from College to the Pros. This is more often than not true, but Josh proved an outlier. In 2019, many said we wouldn't draft Ed Oliver because we require certain measurements from our Defensive Lineman and he was just too small. But he had other traits that made up for them, so we pulled the trigger. McDuffie could be the same situation. Holy exaggeration, Batman. Your point is that he can't do it because there isn't a player who has. My point was that if you're going to use lack of success of others as to whether or not he personally would or wouldn't be a 1st Round bust, then you need to compare him to others who were considered 1st Round talents, not just players who share the same measurements. It's not fair to compare him to guys who were considered late round or UDFA talents and say that he can't do it because they didn't, when they were never expected to be stars or succeed like him in the first place because of their lack of on field talent. I would respect this argument of absolute certainty you have a little more if you could provide a list of 1st Round talents that definitively failed to perform up to the expectations McDuffie has. The fact is, there isn't a real comparison in recent history. This doesn't make your case. It just proves that McDuffie is an outlier. Ultimately, this argument will probably serve moot. Because despite your concerns, McDuffie is a player who isn't even on the board at 25 in virtually all mock drafts. Brandon Beane has met with Trent McDuffie, as well as Roger McCreary, who *gasp* has even shorter arms. He was at Washington's Pro Day. He's scouted him thoroughly. I doubt he'd bother if he was off our board. If he selects him and has faith in him, I would too. Again, only time will tell if the league is as concerned about his measurements as you are and whether or not he will succeed.

I think more than anything, history shows that there haven't been top prospects that have those measurements. Going back a number of years, those that have had those measurements did not perform at the level of McDuffie in College. Their skill was not at his level. Therefore, them underperforming in the Pros was not surprising. The closest I could find that was a top prospect was Damon Arnette at an even 30, as opposed to McDuffie's 29.75. He was still taken 19th overall. Unfortunately, between injuries and his own idiocy, we never got to see if he could overcome this supposed sure fire death blow to his potential everyone is making arm length out to be.

Here we go again... McDuffie is a player who didn't allow a single TD in his final two seasons of College Football. Where he surely lined up against many 6 foot plus WR's who play or will play in the NFL. Yes, he has sub 30" arms. But it's a quarter inch under 30. Also, you have to keep in mind he has a 38.5" vertical leap at his Pro day. This would have put him in 5th among all CB's at the Combine. This ability makes up for outstretched arm length on contested balls when leaving his feet. He is still considered a top prospect at the position despite less than ideal measurables for his technique, football IQ, and his play. There have been players at other positions who have succeeded because of their proficiency in other aspects while having weaknesses in others. I remember all the talk of Ed Oliver's lack of ideal measurements heading into the Draft. But his proficiency on field outweighed that. The same could be the case with McDuffie. There was a time when a QB under 6 foot couldn't succeed in this league. It's why Russell Wilson wasn't drafted until Round 3. Now the league is drafting Kyler Murray 1st overall. Sometimes there are outliers to the rule. Looking back through the years, I can't really find many, if any, instances of a top Draft Prospect at Cornerback with his measurements. But that doesn't discount everything he's done to this point or completely dismiss that he can be an outlier to the rule. Ultimately, we'll find out this weekend if this is as big of a concern to teams is it is to some of you on this board. I weigh what is seen watching a player play much more than measurements. If Beane selects him, both he and McDuffie have my total faith.

You aren't getting Darren Waller for the 57th pick in the Draft. The Tight End market has gotten out of hand and Waller will command the highest contract, sooner rather than later, I'm sure. We have Knox and just gave 3.2 million guaranteed to O.J. Howard. Neither are going anywhere this season. I can't help but laugh when we address a position and then something shinier comes along and people just want to pretend like the move never happened and disregard it. Teams don't hand millions guaranteed to a player and then replace them weeks later before they've even hit on the field. And we're not going to have 3 TE's active on Game Day or pay millions to someone who won't be active. Hell, we didn't even carry 3 TE's on the 53 man roster last season.

Not odd at all. No one wanted to give up a pick and take on the contract we had him on. And so far, no one has wanted to sign him even without having to give up a pick. He's still on the roster.

I don't know how you can take a guy spending days essentially trying out for the media on NFL Network after talking about retirement and openly discussing having not returned when asked by Josh because of the condition of his knees as "out of context", but... okay, I guess? Jake Kumerow is someone who etched out an important role on Special Teams, an aspect Sanders does not provide. This is the main reason he was re-signed this offseason. WR's on the bottom of the depth chart are more often than not there for that reason. While Kumerow and McKenzie were re-signed (and Jamison Crowder was added), Sanders was not. We will be adding WR's in the Draft. There will not be a spot for Sanders. This idea that we're keeping a spot open on the roster for a guy who's going back and forth on whether to retire isn't likely. Not sure how you got here on a football post or what you're trying to get across by this - but I really don't think I have anything more to say to you.

Yeah, no. I made a post a couple above this outlining why Hughes really makes no sense outside of the viewpoint of a fans liking the guy. And you don't sign someone for just that reason alone. And as far as Sanders goes, he said this on "Good Morning Football": Beane and McDermott are looking for speed in the WR core. Sanders vacant roster spot in the WR room will be drafted.

Cole Beasley wanted out of Buffalo and New York State. He's NOT coming back. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/03/did-bills-hope-to-keep-cole-beasley-gm-talks-releasing-beasley-star-lotulelei.html Jerry Hughes is a romantic idea, but not a very likely one. He'd be returning for literal pennies on the dollar to be a reserve player and taking a back seat to Von Miller, after spending about a decade as a Defensive captain and the unquestioned leader of the DE room. Von Miller entering is a changing of the guard there. I don't think the team and maybe even Von himself would want the presence of Hughes looming over Von while he acclimates himself as the new leader of that room. It would be like being hired as a manger somewhere and the person who held that role for a decade stayed on as an associate under you. And at the end of the day, I think Hughes has declined massively. Edge Rusher is one of the premier positions in Football that people kill for. The fact he hasn't gotten a sniff at a significant role on another team by this point speaks volumes. All in all, the move makes no sense from Hughes' or the Bills position, once you take fan emotion out of it. And fans really liking someone as a person and liking the idea of him being in the building when we win a Super Bowl is not a logical reason to sign someone.