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That last line is why the Bills signing Asante Samuel Jr. is unlikely.

If you think he can play 1T, sure. But if he's strictly a 3T, then we'd be looking at: 3T: Oliver Harmon Ogunjobi Carter 1T: Jones I don't see them looking to "upgrade Ed Oliver" with our 1st Round Pick. Oliver isn't going anywhere this year and they aren't going to make him the backup. I think with Ogunjobi's suspension and Carter having an unimpressive Rookie season, Drafting a 3T is fine. Round 1 to rotate with Oliver when we have multiple starting needs elsewhere though? I don't see it. Imo - Jones shouldn't even be on this team. Let alone starting. Right now, not only is he starting, we have no one to rotate him with. I had hoped Ogunjobi might be used primarily as a 1T on this team, as he did play Nose in Cleveland - but it appears that's not how they view him.

Unfortunately, Matthew Golden is expected to go well before we pick. Maybe he falls a bit and we could trade up. But with all the other holes we have (mainly CB and DT) and the lack of options left in the veteran market to replace them - I don't know that we can afford to give up what it would take to move up for a WR.

He's a 2nd Round Prospect. Might even be on the board when we pick at 56 or even 62. If there were any trade up for him, it would be in the 2nd. And I don't think people would lose their mind if they moved up a smidge in the 2nd to Draft a WR. It's possible. People often see extensive work done on a prospect and think "wow they must really like him". When it's just as likely it's because the prospect is a tricky evaluation or the decision makers have differing opinions on the guy. There's been tons of prospects over the years we've met with a bunch of times and then passed on them every chance they had. We met with Troy Franklin a ton last year too.

How do you figure? You take a need at 30. In the case of this discussion, let's say it's DT over CB. And let's say the board is falling in a way that 56 is just a tad low for CB. Well, you could trade 56 and 109 in Round 4 and move up 10 picks to 46. And you'd still have 62 in Round 2 and 132 in Round 4 as well. We have 7 picks on Day 3 and 10 picks in total. 10 players aren't making this roster. You can move up in Round 2 without sacrificing the other pick.

I haven't dove into the Draft as much as other years. I'm a little behind right now. But this mirrors what i've heard, which is if you don't go CB at 30 - it's likely that at 56 you're just going to miss out on a quality 2nd Round pick at the position. I agree that from what i've seen, if we go DL at 30, we should be looking to move up a little bit from 56 to address CB. And thankfully, we have the capital to do that.

I said it in another post, all the DL in the world won't help pass defense if you're rolling out a Day 3 Talent or Jackson opposite Benford with Rapp and Bishop behind them. Just like last year, that ball is going to come out quick and negate pass rush. We might already be in that position now. Relying on a Rookie is not a great spot. But if that's what we're doing, we have to get the one with the highest talent level possible to us. Like I said in my last post, that doesn't mean pigeon hole a 1st Rounder. If the board falls in a way that the Best Available Talent is at another position of need, go there. But you can't wait until the end of Round 4 to address that hole. Going all in on one area of need and neglecting another is a mistake. Both spots need to be addressed with help and with 3 picks in the first two Rounds, can and should be done.

Meaning what? Bc Elam was a bust the one time Beane drafted a CB in the 1st that means every 1st Round level talent CB prospect from here on out is destined to bust? You're making Elam and Benford absolutes for what happens when you Draft a CB in their prospective rounds. That's not how the Draft works. And it's literally the opposite of what is more likely. For the record, I'm not trying to pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at CB. If the value isn't there, pick somewhere else. But IMO they can't wait until the end of Round 4 to address the position with what's on the roster and who's left on the veteran market. With the way things are, you need to walk away with a guy by the Pick 62 at the latest.

Benford is the exception - not the rule. The idea that you're going to get a Christian Benford with every CB you take in Day 3 is foolish.

So our starting CB opposite Benford will be a competition between basically a 5th Round Pick and Dane Jackson? I hope you're not coming for Beane's job...

Already a thread on this on the first page.

I don't know that it will even come to that. It represents the worst case scenario to me. He's going to have a hard time getting 15m from another team if it isn't us. And missing any significant time is going to make that even harder. As for it "won't fly" - that always cracks me up when I hear people say that. How do you know how they'd handle that? Just because you wouldn't want it to "fly" doesn't mean it wont. If the return isn't worth a trade (and it won't be) and the option then is to deal with it and/or sit him when he comes back - why would they do that and cut off their nose to spite their face?

Douglas was horrendous last season. Like @BearNorth just said, he allowed a 123.7 passer rating last season. And now he's a year older at 31 to start the season. It's possible he even takes a step back from that. Your idea to load up on DL and neglect CB with Day 3 Pick(s) and/or Douglas is flawed logic. Lineman won't have the time to get to the QB because they'll just get the ball out quickly to whomever is opposite Benford, or beyond that with our average (or worse if Bishop can't take a step up) Safeties.

I love when people see size and think that's going to make them great. Reminds me of when we brought Michael Jasper to camp. He's a UDFA level prospect. Maybe he'll get taken very late on Day 3. His size doesn't make him a great player.

Agreed. I think it was a combination of misevaluating Elam and also entering the Draft with CB being the only real need. I guess if there's a silver lining to the situation we're in this year, it's that we have so many things that need to be addressed (especially after the suspensions to Hoecht and Ogunjobi) that it's unlikely we'll be in a scenario where need and value won't match up at any of the spots when we pick first.

No one is offering us a 2nd Round Pick, even with a 4th next year, for Cook. There's far too many things working against a Cook trade to get anything worth moving him. The RB position always get terrible returns on trades. Players in the last year of their contract always get less in return. Players who are publicly angling for top market dollar for their worth get less in return. And on top of all of that, it's a strong RB class in the Draft. In the end, whatever we'd get for him is worth less than having him playing for us in the Playoffs this year. Especially if he performs for us like he did this past season in the playoffs. I'm sure he'll hold out offseason workouts. Maybe Training Camp. But I don't see him missing any significant playing time. Even if he were to miss a couple games, the return won't be worth not having him when it matters.

If that's honestly what you'd do, we're ALL fortunate you're not Beane.

Combine that with RB's having a low trade value to begin with, guys in the last year of their deal having lower trade values, and his angling for top market dollar - yeah, Cook's trade value is much lower than most people who say "trade him" seem to understand. I agree. For what we'd get in return, we're not going to trade him. It's worth more for us to have him for this year. So we'll deal with whatever hold out he does. Probably OTA's maybe some of Training Camp. But I doubt he'll sit out any of the year. Even if he were to sit out a game or two, still more important to have him for the season than the peanuts we'd get moving him.

Yeah, I agree. I believe neither the Bills nor these players were looking for a reunion initially. But if there isn't much of a market interest for them as players and/or their price (and i'd assume that's the case right now) and if the board doesn't fall right at WR or CB - I could see it being revisited by both sides. That said, i'm more open to Cooper than I am Douglas. I think it's fair to assume that his wrist injury (that at least one doctor said needed surgery) compounded with trying to fit him in halfway through the year led to them using him sparingly. Perhaps with a full offseason and healthy, he could provide a little more. Douglas, however, was truly awful last season. At 31 years old (at the start of the season) - it's quite possible to me he hit the wall. If we did bring him back, i'd make him earn his spot back against Jackson and whomever we Drafted on Day 3 and not guarantee anything.

We lost two Outside WR's (Cooper and Hollins) and gained one (Palmer). It's fair to argue that we shouldn't bring back Cooper. But the idea that there is no need for him doesn't add up. We do need to replace an Outside WR and that's what Cooper is. I assume the replacement will come in the Draft rather than Cooper or another FA. But we do have a hole for Cooper's (or Hollins' depending on how they view Palmer) replacement on the roster.

I understand the Chiefs are your team. But it's okay to admit someone on your favorite team did something wrong and that they're still going to be a member of your favorite team that you'll be cheering for. It seems like whether it's Rashee Rice or now Xavier Worthy, you jump to their defense and blame others. No charges pressed means no wrong doing is flawed logic. Von Miller didn't get charged either. But I wasn't hopping to his defense. Big pockets means victims don't press charges. It was the case with Von and more likely than not, the case with Worthy. Still on Sundays, if Von was on the field I was hoping for a Sack, while accepting he's probably not a great guy. Is it a denial thing? Like you can't root for your team in good conscience unless you think they did nothing wrong? It is okay to admit that they aren't all choir boys and still be a fan of the team.

3 years, 69m for a WR who will turn 32 and is coming off an ACL tear is INSANE. I don't think he wanted to go there. So they had to make an offer that he couldn't refuse to make it happen. Still crazy.

Aaron Rodgers preferred destination is the Vikings. They've yet to name JJ McCarthy their starting QB and have yet to close the door on Rodgers. If Rodgers ends up with the Vikings like he wishes, the Steelers are nowhere. Possible Rodgers ends up with the Steelers and the Vikings just roll with McCarthy. But with the team they have in place and what they were able to do last year with Darnold, they may not want to roll the dice on a Rookie who didn't play a down last season with nothing but Brett Rypein behind him.

They signed Jameis Winston too. That's kind of surprising. I have to imagine they didn't let Jameis know as prevailing thought was he'd be the consolation prize for the team that didn't get Rodgers or Wilson. Atlanta must be thrilled. The situation definitely makes someone meeting their price for Cousins more likely.

I sincerely hope the plan is not to roll into next season with our WR core being Khalil Shakir, Joshua Palmer, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, and Tyrell Shavers. I remember watching Joe Marino's Mock Offseason before FA started and he had us signing Joshua Palmer before it went down and Drafting a WR with one of our 2nd Round Picks. I commented saying I'd hope for a little more than that. If we don't at least do that, it would be an injustice to Josh. It's one thing to *hope* for improvements in Year 2 and 3 of Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid, after publicly calling them out. And for Curtis Samuel to be more this year than last year. It's another to *rely* on it, with the only (perhaps) slight improvement to the core being replacing Mack Hollins with Joshua Palmer. This scenario feels like what we went into the season with last year before realizing it wasn't enough and making a move for Cooper.