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Oh, for sure. We at the very least need to bring back David Quessenberry or sign an equivalent FA to replace his spot on the roster. But a player like La'el Collins or a 1st Round pick probably isn't in the cards as it would be an outright replacement of Spencer Brown, which I don't see them doing yet.

Not in fans eyes. But if you've listened to Brandon Beane at all Postseason - he's made it pretty clear he thinks not having a Training Camp and injuries were the cause of his not performing well last season. He seems to have full faith in him.

It's only been rough if you were expecting some kind of crazy spending spree happening and big names coming in when we were going into it 18.7 over the cap and had 24 players to re-sign or replace.

According to Spotrac - he has a $300,000 roster bonus due on 3/17. They could save $2.5 million by releasing him. So I'd imagine if he isn't released today, he'll probably be here. Gotta imagine that's what he means by "clock is ticking". https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/isaiah-mckenzie-21914/

According to Spotrac, we're currently at 11.5 under WITHOUT the numbers for Jordan Poyer and Kyle Allen. So right now, we may have close to nothing left. If the figure of 7 is correct for Poyer and we can estimate Allen at around a million, we're probably about 3.5 under right now. If we want to sign anyone else, we're going to have to clear up some more space. We can save 2.5 today if we release Isaiah McKenzie before a 300k roster bonus comes in for him tomorrow. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

Be poster 2, not poster 1. Everyone got unreal expectations when they saw us come up with 45.3 in cap. But they neglected to factor in we were 18.7 over the cap to begin with and more importantly - we had *24* Free Agents. Even if we let most of them walk, we'd still need to replace those bodies. This always meant that by and large, we'd have to look for diamonds in the rough. Players that the scouting department identified as having untapped potential and room for growth. With McGovern, Harty, and possibly Parham - you can see the potential. And if they're able to reach that potential, the "overpays" will become "bargains".

At this point with the guys who have been signed and what they've been signed for - i'd be shocked if Singletary wasn't brought back. Only way I see that happening is if he didn't want to come back. He's absolutely adored in the locker room and with the emphasis the decision makers place on team chemistry I'd bet they prefer getting him back over other options.

Ah, I see. Sorry, when you Google him they list 2021 after 2022 on the stats for some reason and his Wikipedia doesn't list 2022 stats at all. Either way, it appears he went on IR after those couple games so his 2022 campaign was a wash. 2021 was his last actual season. And in that year: The idea here is to invest in a player they see can become a star. And if that happens, the "overpay" will become a "bargain". If it doesn't, then you took a chance and didn't completely break the bank.

36 of them came just last season for 570 yards. What does this and the money say to me? That he was given an opportunity last season to show what he could do as a speedster deep threat. And obviously, given what he was paid - teams around the league saw something there that could potentially be taken to the next level given more opportunities. We all get caught up with big names and big production. But teams are always looking at young players who have shown things that can be translated and expanded upon. In Harty and McGovern, I feel Beane has targeted a couple young players that have shown big time promise and have the potential for growth early. The talk of "overpaying" to me speaks more to the interest other teams around the league had for the players and seeing the same things.

We can't afford Orlando Brown. Although we saved 45.3 million on the cap, we started at 18.7 million over the cap according to Spotrac. And then we agreed to terms with Connor McGovern, re-signed Sam Martin, Tyrel Dodson, Ike Boettger, Tyler Matakevitch, Cam Lewis, and tendered Dane Jackson. We're sitting at roughly 15-17 million under the cap right now. Orlando Brown's predicted value is 22.4 million annually. Which is pretty on par since Mike McGlinchey just signed just signed for 17.5 annually. We have many holes still to fill having 24 FA's that either need re-signing or replacing. Not to mention needing space to sign our draft picks. The 15-17 we have probably won't be enough to even cover that. We absolutely couldn't put it all into one player. Even if we COULD afford Orlando Brown - him playing Guard is a pipe dream. He's one of the top (maybe the top) Left Tackle's in football. He's not going to a team to play Guard and he's not going to be paid what he commands to play Guard. Not to mention, we're not going to pay Dion Dawkins what we're paying Dion Dawkins to play Right Tackle. Long story short, Orlando Brown isn't even a thought.

I don't think he included Tyrel Dodson in that figure. I think it's probably closer to 17.

So 32 million for Von and Josh. 6 million from Milano. 5.4 from Diggs. 1.3 from Hines. 600k from Settle. That's 45.3 saved so far. Last night, it was figured they were at roughly 15 under after the signings they did yesterday and how much over the cap we were to begin with. Diggs restructure would take it up to 20.4 under. But then you have to figure in the signings of Tyrel Dodson (I don't know the figure for him) and the tendering of Dane Jackson (2.7 million). So I don't think the figure of being 22 million under right now being thrown around is correct. Probably closer to 17. Hopefully Tre and Dion do some restructuring as well. They were the first players I thought of as potential candidates for this. Surprised to see neither done yet.

The problem with this is it's the same as last season. Right now, we have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and McKenzie. So we already have 2 outside WR's and 2 slots. The last thing we need to do is add another slot. We need another X. We can't have just Diggs, Davis, and a bunch of slots. If either Diggs or Davis gets banged up, as happened with Davis last season, we're putting out a Jake Kumerow level WR.

Yep. You've never seen a trade happen and a long term extension announced at the same time or within a day or two? Happens all the time. AJ Brown and the Eagles last season off the top of my head. That's a fair point.

The problem with trading for Jeudy is the same as a team trading for Oliver - he's a 1 year rental. A very good talent, but if you don't know if you're going to have him beyond this season, why would you give up much for him? I suspect Denver wouldn't want to give him away for the price they'll get for a 1 year rental and will only move him to a team that will have a long term contract agreed upon and as such is willing to pay a higher price. And that long term contract surely won't be cheap.

The Milano extension saved us 6 million. https://www.wgrz.com/article/sports/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-sign-matt-milano-to-2-year-extension-in-cap-saving-move/71-e560d6cc-8c4a-44aa-819f-e39cfa1cdad0

So yeah, if your estimates are correct - we're probably sitting at 14-15 under right now. Gotta do a lot more to do anything resembling what I was commenting on. As for Poyer, I'd imagine it's much more likely he's weighing his options rather than he's in danger of being left without a suitor because he's asking for too much. It's extremely early in FA and he's still one of the top Defensive players available.

Sure, if we make a bunch more moves to free money, we hypothetically could. Jeudy's a 5 million dollar cap hit on the last year of a Round 1 contract. Spotrac's estimated market value on Poyer is 11 million annually (and he's not taking a team friendly deal). Lavonte David is estimated at 9.7 million annually. Even another mid tier OL won't be cheap. We saved up to about 23 million or so under the cap with all the moves and we've cut into it with the moves for McGovern, Martin, Matakevitch, and Lewis. We're nowheres near doing all of what's listed above right now.

Yeah... we're going to have to free up a LOT more money to do all of that. The restructures and extensions probably put us around 23 under the cap. When you factor in the moves we made today and the money we need for Draft picks - we may be able to do one of David, Poyer, Jeudy, or another big OL signing. All 4 is a pipedream in the current state.

Hope the Miller and Allen restructures are tied to this getting done soon.

So that's 32 Mil for Josh and Von, 6 mil for Milano's extension, 1.3 mil from Hines' restructure, and 600k for Settle's restructure. Roughly 40 million freed up at around 17.6 over. Would be interested to see where that leaves us after McGovern, Martin, Matakevitch, and Lewis moves.

Paying up depends on your view on things. Spotrac estimates his value at 4.1 annually while they estimate Devin Singletary at 5.5.

Once again, they can and will have to do both. We have starters at RB and on the Line that are Free Agents. They will have to be signed, drafted, or re-signed.

We have a hole at starting Left Guard with Rodger Saffold and a hole at 3rd OT (who often ends up starting) with David Quessenberry both being Free Agents. So at the very least, we have to add or re-sign 2. Combine that with the poor performance they had last season, they will probably do more than that. But it's physically impossible for them to ignore the Offensive Line.

Exactly this. So tiresome to see people respond to every discussion about any other position with "OL". You guys do know it's possible to do both, right? And discussing other players at other positions doesn't mean people are saying "neglect the OL". Trust me, they're going to add players on the Offensive Line.