Nephilim17

We have the 2nd-most wins in the league that past five years. If you think that's all Josh Allen, that's your prerogative. I think Allen is a huge reason but there are other teams with franchise QBs who haven't won that many games. That, combined with the early playoff exits (though the best team in the league, KC, s a big reason why), counts as very good but not great to me. If you want to think we're mediocre, go ahead.

Maybe. To be clear, I'm not saying McBeane should get 3 to 4 more years but I get the feeling they have Pegula's trust and have a longer leash than normal. And no, I won't be thrilled if Josh is in his 30s and hasn't made a Super Bowl.

Beane's assembled a very good but not great team. That's something. He needs to get more elite players in drafts (hard when you're drafting lower) and he needs to be more careful with extending aging players. McDermott needs far better playoff defense. I'd say if he and McDermott don't win it all or get very close in 3 or 4 years they will both be replaced. But who knows.

I don't know Nabers up-side but I think Thomas could be a legit number 1 for us. And today I'm circling back to thinking that Mitchell could be the guy and not involve a trade-up, or a very small one. Especially if we get a vet like Thomas, I can see Mitchell being eased into the role. No vet signing, to me, signifies they need a more pro-ready guy like Thomas and that's a trade up to the teens, I think. Don't expect a trade to 10-12 but Beane has surprised us before — and recently.

Thanks for this. A very, very interesting anecdote from Tim Graham: After the Game 1 Jets loss last season, Josh was in the lockerroom, towel over head, looking forlorn. Many players were patting him on the back and trying to pick him up. Dawkins said "17 for life." That kind of thing. Diggs comes up to him and Graham did not hear what he said but Josh snapped, "It's one f**ing game!" and waved Diggs off. That to be is pretty damn interesting and suggests that there relationship was indeed not well. Starts around 19:30 if anyone wants to hear.

Pass rush. And a 1-tech as a backup now but a future starter to take over for Daquan.

I like Simm's takes on Josh and football in general. Florio is a little tool who likes to be loud. He's the human equivalent of a dumb small yappy dog.

I'm not saying I wouldn't do it — if they love Nabers (or Odunze) I'd do it. I just thought getting up to 7th overall would still need a higher pick, like 2025 2nd as well. If they think Nabers is generational, do it. If he's just a slightly step above Thomas or Mitchell at the moment, I wouldn't. I'm not a college fan and have just seen highlights.

Haven't consulted the latest trade chart, but I'm surprised that Bills picks are enough for 7th overall and 182 this year.

OP/Mods, the title of this thread, after all this time is wrong. It's "for pick" as in singular. We gave up multiple picks but receive a single pick.

Far, far more interesting press conferences.

I sure feel relief. And, no, I'm not being sarcastic. There's enough to worry about with the Bills trying to beat KC and all of the rest of our issues (cap, pass rush, secondary, the draft, the competition, etc.) without the constant questions of does our number 1 WR want to be here and does he get along with our franchise QB? It's exhausting. I'm glad it's over.

Because no one else offered what should be a high 2nd Rounder (Vikings 2nd round pick). It's simple. Beane didn't think he was trading an elite WR who was a difference maker in the playoffs. He trading an aging formerly elite player with a poor recent playoff record (65 yards TOTAL in last 3 playoff games). I'll take a pick around 35-38 overall for that.

I can't see Beane giving up capital to trade for a veteran WR. That is capital that could help us rise in the draft and get a young future star (one hopes). My feeling is that after the cap purge they want some young players on cost-controlled contracts for a few years. So I don't see giving up a second for a 30-year-old guy who will want a chunk of money. But I do see a trade up to the high teens or lows 20s (18-22ish) to secure a guy like Thomas. EDIT: Sorry, I misread Shaw's post. He's suggesting that Beane gives up a good Bills vet to move up, not that we give up a pick to get a vet. I don't see that, though. Do you want to take a chance by trading Dawkins? I don't think so. And who else is there to trade? Knox has too much dead money.

Can you take him at his word? It would be unwise to totally telegraph your WR requirements before the draft? Everyone knows the Bills need to take a WR high now more than ever after the trade. or is it reverse psychology?

That would have been epic. It's obvious non-football stuff came into play and Beane won't play ball with the media by offering details. And yes, I hope he learns a lesson about extensions for players with question marks.

If people are going to count what's "missing" it's disingenous for them to not count the 864 yards what's been added with Samuels and Hollins. I think with Josh throwing to Samuels and us getting a first-round receiver we close the gap on many of the remaining yards. Plus Shakir and Kincaid and Cook should be even better with experience and Brady having time to implement his offense.

I can see a trade up for a WR but I don't think we have or will spend the capital to get to Harrison. I'd say slim but possible chance of trading to around 10-12 if one of the other top two guys are there and they love him, or a very good chance of trading to high teens or low 20s to snag Thomas. I think if Beane really likes Thomas he doesn't chance waiting till 28 and will spend a bit of capital for insurance. So for all the experts... Between Nabers, Odunze and Thomas, is there a huge gap between the first two and Thomas? I like size here and so I'm not sure about Nabers. I think I read Odunze has a higher ceiling than Nabers — true? Then there's Mitchell. Not as polished but has traits as well. How do you rank and differentiate those 3 or maybe 4 guys? Are Nabers and/or Odunze that much better than Thomas where the upside is worth losing next years first and second and whatever it takes?

I don't think that's accurate by a long shot. Or, if it is, you have to look at NET difference which is we take on an extra 3 million but clear like 27 million next year. With a stud in the draft, I'll do that any day.

Beane isn't finished building the WR room by a long shot. I think he'll see how he does in the draft but if he doesn't get a number 1 (or a guy with that potential) remember: The 2024 trade deadline is set to be on November 5. Lots of time to make a move down the road.

Cosell comments: Not a big market for Steph; the league tells you what someone is worth Steph is no longer a true boundary Alpha and not a vertical threat at this point He's now a number 2 on Houston and will help them Outside of Big 3 in draft, these guys can be true Alpha 1's: Thomas could be, and AD Mitchell, but Thomas is probably more advanced at the moment a bit Replaced Diggs with a younger more explosive version of him in Samuel Third guy? How do you feel about Worthy? If you get him, you need to put him in motion and get him off the line clean Agrees "without question" to Brown's thought of Bills feel better about spreading ball around in second half of season They do NOT need specific roles for players: Boundary X or slot, players can move around Bills need 2 WRs out of this draft He really likes Ladd McConkey and sees him as plug and play in the "right" scheme, such as the Rams, but he's not a vertical threat (never outright said Bills should go after him though but talked him up a lot) He is "sure" they see Kincaid in a more "advanced role and more than a tight end" this season Tasker comments: Bills wanted to move on a year early instead of a year late Another step is part of this in the draft The trade says there are multiple players they like in the draft at WR Likes McConkey as a player a lot too (never said the Bills should take him but interesting how much time they talked up Ladd)

Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a move up for the Big 3 but for Thomas maybe in the late teens. The board may lose their minds but perhaps they don't want to risk him making it to 28, and maybe the Bills also get a 4th as well in return?

Perhaps it's been verified many times (can't look at all 67 pages but I've seen many) but here is the news from the Bills themselves that we get the VIkings 2nd rounder in 2025: The terms of the trade: Buffalo receives a 2025 second-round pick (via the Vikings) Houston receives WR Stefon Diggs, a 2024 sixth-round pick (No. 189 overall) and a 2025 fifth-round pick https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-and-texans-agree-to-terms-on-trade-to-send-wr-stefon-diggs-to-houston Given that the Vikings were 7 and 10 last season and with no Cousins now, that second could be in the top 5 picks of the round, or close. So if we lost a 1st in a trade, we'd have a pick not too far after with the Vikings second...

I would not be shocked if we package our 2025 1st and other picks to get a top WR this year. The Bills likely feel that two 2nd rounders next year (many are saying the one we just got is the Vikings pick so it will likely be high) is fine without a first rounder. I also predict that now Josh will be more assertive and take no ***** from anyone on the offense now. No one will yell at Josh on the sidelines; he is now the man. I honestly feel like Steph, personality wise, was the alpha dog on the offense. And Josh didn't want to get in Steph's face and was too deferential. But it should be the QB. And now it is.

That's pretty damn impressive. It's like a WR who hasn't thrown a pass since high school throwing a ball 65 yards in the air for a TD. Twice in a row (says there was a false start or something on the first play).