Nephilim17

I sure feel relief. And, no, I'm not being sarcastic. There's enough to worry about with the Bills trying to beat KC and all of the rest of our issues (cap, pass rush, secondary, the draft, the competition, etc.) without the constant questions of does our number 1 WR want to be here and does he get along with our franchise QB? It's exhausting. I'm glad it's over.

Because no one else offered what should be a high 2nd Rounder (Vikings 2nd round pick). It's simple. Beane didn't think he was trading an elite WR who was a difference maker in the playoffs. He trading an aging formerly elite player with a poor recent playoff record (65 yards TOTAL in last 3 playoff games). I'll take a pick around 35-38 overall for that.

I can't see Beane giving up capital to trade for a veteran WR. That is capital that could help us rise in the draft and get a young future star (one hopes). My feeling is that after the cap purge they want some young players on cost-controlled contracts for a few years. So I don't see giving up a second for a 30-year-old guy who will want a chunk of money. But I do see a trade up to the high teens or lows 20s (18-22ish) to secure a guy like Thomas. EDIT: Sorry, I misread Shaw's post. He's suggesting that Beane gives up a good Bills vet to move up, not that we give up a pick to get a vet. I don't see that, though. Do you want to take a chance by trading Dawkins? I don't think so. And who else is there to trade? Knox has too much dead money.

Can you take him at his word? It would be unwise to totally telegraph your WR requirements before the draft? Everyone knows the Bills need to take a WR high now more than ever after the trade. or is it reverse psychology?

That would have been epic. It's obvious non-football stuff came into play and Beane won't play ball with the media by offering details. And yes, I hope he learns a lesson about extensions for players with question marks.

If people are going to count what's "missing" it's disingenous for them to not count the 864 yards what's been added with Samuels and Hollins. I think with Josh throwing to Samuels and us getting a first-round receiver we close the gap on many of the remaining yards. Plus Shakir and Kincaid and Cook should be even better with experience and Brady having time to implement his offense.

I can see a trade up for a WR but I don't think we have or will spend the capital to get to Harrison. I'd say slim but possible chance of trading to around 10-12 if one of the other top two guys are there and they love him, or a very good chance of trading to high teens or low 20s to snag Thomas. I think if Beane really likes Thomas he doesn't chance waiting till 28 and will spend a bit of capital for insurance. So for all the experts... Between Nabers, Odunze and Thomas, is there a huge gap between the first two and Thomas? I like size here and so I'm not sure about Nabers. I think I read Odunze has a higher ceiling than Nabers — true? Then there's Mitchell. Not as polished but has traits as well. How do you rank and differentiate those 3 or maybe 4 guys? Are Nabers and/or Odunze that much better than Thomas where the upside is worth losing next years first and second and whatever it takes?

I don't think that's accurate by a long shot. Or, if it is, you have to look at NET difference which is we take on an extra 3 million but clear like 27 million next year. With a stud in the draft, I'll do that any day.

Beane isn't finished building the WR room by a long shot. I think he'll see how he does in the draft but if he doesn't get a number 1 (or a guy with that potential) remember: The 2024 trade deadline is set to be on November 5. Lots of time to make a move down the road.

Cosell comments: Not a big market for Steph; the league tells you what someone is worth Steph is no longer a true boundary Alpha and not a vertical threat at this point He's now a number 2 on Houston and will help them Outside of Big 3 in draft, these guys can be true Alpha 1's: Thomas could be, and AD Mitchell, but Thomas is probably more advanced at the moment a bit Replaced Diggs with a younger more explosive version of him in Samuel Third guy? How do you feel about Worthy? If you get him, you need to put him in motion and get him off the line clean Agrees "without question" to Brown's thought of Bills feel better about spreading ball around in second half of season They do NOT need specific roles for players: Boundary X or slot, players can move around Bills need 2 WRs out of this draft He really likes Ladd McConkey and sees him as plug and play in the "right" scheme, such as the Rams, but he's not a vertical threat (never outright said Bills should go after him though but talked him up a lot) He is "sure" they see Kincaid in a more "advanced role and more than a tight end" this season Tasker comments: Bills wanted to move on a year early instead of a year late Another step is part of this in the draft The trade says there are multiple players they like in the draft at WR Likes McConkey as a player a lot too (never said the Bills should take him but interesting how much time they talked up Ladd)

Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a move up for the Big 3 but for Thomas maybe in the late teens. The board may lose their minds but perhaps they don't want to risk him making it to 28, and maybe the Bills also get a 4th as well in return?

Perhaps it's been verified many times (can't look at all 67 pages but I've seen many) but here is the news from the Bills themselves that we get the VIkings 2nd rounder in 2025: The terms of the trade: Buffalo receives a 2025 second-round pick (via the Vikings) Houston receives WR Stefon Diggs, a 2024 sixth-round pick (No. 189 overall) and a 2025 fifth-round pick https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-and-texans-agree-to-terms-on-trade-to-send-wr-stefon-diggs-to-houston Given that the Vikings were 7 and 10 last season and with no Cousins now, that second could be in the top 5 picks of the round, or close. So if we lost a 1st in a trade, we'd have a pick not too far after with the Vikings second...

I would not be shocked if we package our 2025 1st and other picks to get a top WR this year. The Bills likely feel that two 2nd rounders next year (many are saying the one we just got is the Vikings pick so it will likely be high) is fine without a first rounder. I also predict that now Josh will be more assertive and take no ***** from anyone on the offense now. No one will yell at Josh on the sidelines; he is now the man. I honestly feel like Steph, personality wise, was the alpha dog on the offense. And Josh didn't want to get in Steph's face and was too deferential. But it should be the QB. And now it is.

That's pretty damn impressive. It's like a WR who hasn't thrown a pass since high school throwing a ball 65 yards in the air for a TD. Twice in a row (says there was a false start or something on the first play).

Dobbins, 25, missed all but one game last season with the Baltimore Ravens after suffering a torn Achilles in Week 1. That came on the heels of Dobbins missing the entire 2021 season with a torn ACL and nine games during the 2022 campaign due to a different knee injury.

Thanks! The left-handed golf ball is brilliant. I don't find the Cuban fight with the ref all that amusing, however. The best pranks have some ingenuity to them. The Plimpton article is pretty fun as well.

Now's a deep draft for receiver. Considering the Bills should be competitive most years and picking in the mid to low 20s (hopefully 32 some years)... if now now, when? We have an aging number 1. No proven young boundary receivers. When should we wait to draft a potential number 1 to replace Steph? Not every year will be loaded at WR like this. Look at last year.

I'm hopijng for Thomas or Mitchell with Legette as my consolation prize. I have no illusions that I can predict who the Bills will take but I do guarantee this: If the Chiefs take a WR in the first, no matter who they take, half of this board will go into a panic and lose their minds.

And when we have one of the three best pass-catching tight ends of all time.

Tre is a good guy and I wish him the best. But Beane did the right things this year to clear cap. Yes, we lost some core players, but players who aren't what they used to be. It was needed. We weren't gonna run it back with the same aging guys. Kudos to Beane doing this. It avoids a massive rebuild in a year or two.

I hope he helps the team win big this year but he should feel the heat. We have a generational talent at QB and have been to and lost one conference championship game. Not enough. Maybe he'll win it all and turn around the narrative. Not counting on it but I'd love to be wrong.

What's the point? That a high TD to overall receptions ratio is indicative of a good "scoring" player? Look at the top 10-TD scoring wide receivers in 2023. https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2023/REG/all/receivingtouchdowns/DESC The averages are all over the place. To me Gabe Davis having a high ratio is more an indictment of his non-red-zone receptions than it is some indictment that other Bills players can't score touchdowns. Devante Adams had 103 receptions and 8 TDs, both more than Gabe ever had. Yet that average is "only" 1 TD one every 13 receptions. That's worse than Diggs who you point out as being the next closest to Davis but you say it's "not even close" when it comes to other Bills players scoring TDs. What does that metric mean? Would you rather have Davis than Adams? Really? Your "efficiency" just proves Davis is really, really not a factor between the 20s. Once again, you say this: "There isn't a player on our roster, during McD's entire tenure, that even approaches Davis' ability to score TDs. The best we have is Diggs and he's averaged a TD every 12 catches." I'll take Diggs poor TD-to-reception ratio and 1,183 yards and 8 TDs in 2023 over Davis' 746 yards and 7 TDs despite Davis' way higher TD to reception ration. In fact, I'll take any of Digg's years over any of Davis despite Davis having a higher TD-to-reception ratio. Who wouldn't? Davis has scored 27 TDS the last 4 years and DIggs has scored 37 TDs in the same span. Yet because of "efficiency" you make this claim: "There isn't a player on our roster, during McD's entire tenure, that even approaches Davis' ability to score TDs. Nonsense. A TD is a TD and Diggs has scored a lot more than Davis. And he has had a lot more yards between the 20s than Davis. I don't give a flying f*** about "efficiency."

Not so. Gabe Davis has scored 7, 6, 7 and 7 TDs in his four years here. We have a couple players with extended stretches that match or exceed this: Dawson Knox: 2021: 9 TDs 2022: 6 TDs Stephon Diggs: 2020: 8 TDs 2021: 10 TDs 2022: 11 TDs 2023: 8 TDs

If, for example, they love Legette, and they're confident they can get him (and KC won't) by trading back a handful of spots, OK. But I wouldn't get cute if they really like a guy and he's available at 28. If they don't really like a guy, sure.

We can revisit it quarterly if you like. I'm not shy about that. And I won't be shy about apologizing if I, and many others, are wrong. Unless he gets hurt, he will regularly outperform Davis. He's just way more versatile and explosive and won't have as many drops. I don't think that's a ridiculous take. If anything, your take is the outlier. Could you be right? It's possible. But I don't think it's likely.