Bob in STL

Putin did it, in the Library, with a hypersonic missile.

No. He is not a two on most teams. Most teams with better talent would not stand for the drops and the inconsistencies in route running. He is still afforded more development time due to his age. He is a 3 or 4 or 5 on a strong playoff team. Maybe not even that if he doesn’t play special teams.

No, not depressed. I refuse to let a football team do that to me.

I don't see Oliver as "generational talent" but he may be more of an impact player. He may also be more of a headache, cost more, and have greater downside risk.

2006 Draft Class. We have had much worse, this draft is not horrible at all. Kyle alone makes it good. Whitner is a lightning rod on this board but he played a lot of games and did well, despite being picked 20 slots too soon and being crucified for it. McCargo was a bust, Yobouty a nothing. Brad Butler was looking very good until injury cut his career short. He was on a similar path as Kyle. Keith Ellison did a decent job too. We got some games out of Simpson, Merz, and Pennington. I have seen much worse, 1 8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State 1 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State 3 70 Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State 4 105 Ko Simpson FS South Carolina 5 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State 5 143 Brad Butler T Virginia 6 178 Keith Ellison OLB Oregon State 7 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico 7 248 Aaron Merz G California

I’ve been watching football and the Bills since about 1964. I was what can be termed as a rabid fan for many decades. I am now long past putting players on pedestals, or studying stats and obsessing on the team. I still watch the Bills every week, and I read the Bills articles, and I wait for the day they return to prominence. As for the rest of the NFL, not so much. I watch other games occasionally, each year less and less. I just don’t have the same respect for today’s players, and the game in general, that I did in the past. Even though the level of athleticism continues to get higher. I will miss Kyle Williams a lot. He always impressed me as a throwback type player, with a personality and work ethic that took me back to older times. True professional and class act. I hope to see his name on the Bills WoF someday soon.

He is up there with Andre Reed, 4 th round, HOF. Tom Sestak, all time AFL and WOF, 17th round

What the heck, I am voting for 2 sacks.

Play calling was not the problem. The players are. They do not block, run or catch very well. The offense is lousy no matter what plays they call.

This is a game I really want to win. I hate the Pats*. Time to turn the tables on this team, beat them in their shithole stadium and set the tone for the future. We we need to run the ball, get a few big plays from Allen, play great defense and great ST. Santa please come early.

The Pegulas do not have a roll in on-field decision. Obvious choice us ST coach.

Ted Washington was a great player but in all this time he has ascended to the level of High School DL coach. Wow. I work with a high school DL coach and he is really good electrical engineer. Maybe there are some aspects of today’s NFL that are different than say 20 years ago?

There are plenty of good players to pick in the draft. The losing has to stop. I want to beat the Pats* in their shithole stadium and then I want to beat Miami at home for our fans. Let's finish on a win streak - 7-9 in a rebuild year and 3-3 in the division. Keep Josh Allen's progress going. Time to stop the losing mentality.

He is really stepping up. Better than Jones already. I think we have a solid player and a great Undrafted rookie free agent.

Excellent player and leader. Sign him

Safety is the least of our problems. A #2 CB, depth at LB, more pass rush, Four offensive lineman, 3 Receivers, 2 tight ends, 3 running backs, a franchise QB .... then safety.

They made plays, just not nearly enough of them. I think its a lack of playmakers, i.e. talent. Better players make average coaches look good, but not the other way around. Look at our “vaunted” defense, best in league in yards allowed ... they gave up two fourth quarter TDs at home to a rookie QB. Blew two leads and never touched the QB. NEVER TOUCHED THE QB. As bad as special teams were, and they were bad too. They started good but when it mattered the most the defense let us down.

I don't know who I would of taken if given the choice between Allen or Darnold. I don't follow college close enough. I like Allen and I think there is hope for him if we can get him some help. Darnold looked great when it counted.

Now that the dust has cleared I am most disappointed in the play of our defense in the 4th quarter as they blew two leads to a rookie QB. I know they overcame a lot of bad field potion (horrendous kick-off coverage and special teams) but the game was on the line and we were home. They gave up a long drive when the Jets tied it at 20. We had no sustained QB pressure which seemed to take the crowd out of it. I saw Jerry Hughes once, chasing Darnold from a long distance away on the his game tying TD pass. No Hughes, so has the league neutered him after his last eruption? The few times we blitzed they picked it up. Very disappointed they could hold the lead.

Or guys are just not good enough and need to hold. I think that is our OL. The offensive pass interference calls on #19, twice. A coach need to talk to him and review the rule book. You cannot block down field before or during a pass. You can block after the catch. Those calls hurt as did Teller and multiple penalties.

Zay was missing in action against the Jets. I think he could be a good #4. He does not have the good hands to be a good #3. A #3 is usually reliable if nothing else. I'll give him one more year. Maybe if Allen had more time to set up and throw from the pocket we could judge Zay better but he does not look like a good pick, certainly not worthy of trading up to get.

Maybe look at him for Assistant GM or Pro Personnel Director. He did compile some good talent. Their QB got hurt and that put them back for a year. I don't understand why they dismantled everything?

The real difference to me is that Darnold won on the road and he came from behind to do it. He led a long TD drive to tie the game in the fourth quarter when he made the best scramble of the game and then threw a perfect TD strike to #11 who was being covered by Tre'davious White. Next he led his team to another score, tossing a perfect bomb again to #11 who again was covered by White. He beat our best CB twice and both times White was there. Those were both big time NFL throws. Those plays go beyond the stats. Darnold threw better, the stats show it and so do the plays I just described, especially in the fourth quarter with the game on the line. If Darnold was a Bill you would be anointing him the next great QB. He took a step forward. Allen did fine, he played about the same as he did in the loss to Miami. We have no running game and we have a horrible OL that gives him no time. We have horrid special teams and our defense did not hold up. Still, looking at the two I was more impressed with Darnold. I still like Allen, but I was more impressed with Darnold in that game. I am not afraid to admit it just because he is on the Jets. Hey we beat the Jets with ease with Barkley at QB on the road, I expected more from the Bills. The Bills underperformed in all three phases of the game.

No sacks and very few blitzes on a rookie QB at home. Our defense folded in the 4th quarter.

Wah, wah, wah ... Of course the pressure on Allen had something to do with it. So did his very bad decisions on two picks. Yes our WR had some drops, and Allen misfired too. Yes, Darnold had great field position most of the day. I’m not ranking them. Allen has less to work with I agree. He is also less accomplished throwing the ball. Watch the game. Im talking about a head to head match up against a division rival. Round 1 to Darnold. Two TD drives in the 4 th quarter on the road to win. Two passes to beat Tre White on top of that. The tying drive was a long drive with a great bomb perfectly thrown. Our top tier defense folded. Allen played well. But no TD passes.