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And next season… they picked up the 5th year option

Before this season you could argue that Quinnen Williams had a similar career to Oliver. But he’s taken a big step forward this season. This is the type of step that Oliver has yet to take This is what makes the contract extension conversation such an interesting topic.

Ironically Williams and Simmons were also DT’s from the 2019 draft class. Oliver has not had the impact either of his draft mates have Right…but if you had to make the call today what would you do? I’d probably pass

Agreed… Ike isn’t going to step in starting guard and change the OL. But he could prove to be an upgrade over the depth they could have on the interior OL, especially as he gets better acclimated from the injury.

Ed Oliver is a good defensive tackle. But I’m not sure he’s a great DT. Because of athleticism and potential, every year he is pegged as a player set to have a “breakout season” especially in 2022 with the additions to the DL. But like the past year, his “breakout” seasons, it just hasn’t happened in 2022. The fact that he missed 4 games to injury didn’t help. But still at the half way point he has 0 sacks, 1 TFL, and 1 knocked down pass. A fairly pedestrian impact so far. After a strong rookie season, this seems to be the case for Oliver over the past few years. He has a handful flashes but for the most part, he’s a good, to sometimes average DT in the Bills defense. A far cry from the game-wrecker that Oliver was projected to be as a Top 10 pick in 2019 and throughout the course of his career. This leads me to the question of whether the Bills should re-sign him. He is under contract for one more season in 2023, but if you had to make the decision today would you re-sign him? To anyone thinking that he’ll take a “home town discount” guess again. This is his first chance for a big-money contract. Based on his pedigree, athleticism, and some of the flashes he’s show on tape there’s little doubt he will get laid - but will it be from Buffalo? Given the big contracts that will kick in over the next few seasons, I don’t think there’s any way that Buffalo should re-sign Oliver to a new contract if the choice had to be made today. What do you think?

To paraphrase a famous Ted Marchiabroda comment “A backup QB will win yiu 3 games and lose you 3 games.” Still, as Joe B. pointed out the Bills are one of the most complete teams in the league and while the drop off to Case is legit, you have to hope the offense can help pick him up

Granted… there were times he didn’t good in the preseason. But he did look the best when he was playing with the first team offense. Also, if you check out Keenum’s career numbers, including last season, they are pretty decent for a backup QB. With that being said, the Bills collectively are going to step up in just about every facet with Josh out. They can’t afford to get behind on the scoreboard or to give up short fiends on bad turnovers. But I don’t think they are automatically screwed if Josh has to sit the next few weeks. Case Keenum as you short-term (hopefully) starting QB2 is probably among the best scenarios you could ask for

The Bills have won 2 out of the last 3 games at Arrowhead and you can argue they were a few bad calls from winning the last 3 games

I feel so disappointed… No it isn’t…

Hell yeah!

Meh…I wasn’t that upset. He said that Josh tries to draw penalties calls and often gets calls. What great player DOESN’T do that? Myers also walked it back a bit but saying all QB’s do similar things. I don’t think this that big of a deal. .

This game worries me if there’s no Poyer.

I haven’t always been the biggest fan of Edmunds but I’ve come to accept what he is at LB. He does a great job in the passing game both in coverage and taking away passing lanes. As a run defender he is probably average - he’s a bit inconsistent where he’ll make plays but also struggle to get off blocks. Also prone to moss tackles from time-to-time. I get the polarization of the fan base though. It’s easy to tell when Edmunds is blocked out of a player or misses a tackle. It’s harder to noticed the ground he covers in the passing game

Good moves for Miami…you really can’t deny that.

Like everything we will have to wait to see how this plays out. It definitely makes Miami better. The only question, how much better? Like everything we will have to wait to see how this plays out. It definitely makes Miami better. The only question, how much better?

I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried copying the game plan but I would be surprised if they had the same amount of success as GB. As people have pointed out, part of the Bills reasoning for staying in Nickel was the threat of Rodgers. You don’t really have that with Zack Wilson. Also even with the addition of James Robinson, the Jets run game was nowhere near as effective missing Hall and Vera-Tucker

Maybe he just spilled his beer?

I think it’s a good pickup for KC - he definitely makes their offense better. I don’t think he’ll pick up any of the slack left by Tyreek, but I can see Andy using him as a gadget player. It really is telling though that NYG couldn’t find any use for him. Their WR room is pretty sorry. They gave him away for next to nothing

This is a very cool question…. From what I can recall as a kid, fans were a bit more confident than today. There definitely was an excitement which I think is starting to show currently in WNF. It seems like a portion of the fan base (myself included at times) feels that despite how good the Bills look one week, at some point the other shoe will drop. This is what happened after losing 4 SB’s, the music city miracle, and of course 20 years of horrible football. I don’t feel that there was as much skepticism during 1990 and 1991. It’s hard to get a sense of the media exposure because the landscape of the media has changed so much. Really the only exposure was ESPN Sportscenter, newspapers, magazines or local news. Today you have a million different outlets with internet based media plus traditional methods. I do vividly remember during the 1991 season, waking up to watch CBS this morning to find that the Chiefs crushed the Bills 33-6 at Arrowhead on MNF handing them their first their first loss of the year. Pretty sure the games kicked off at 9:10 or so and I wasn’t allowed to stay up. I remember the news anchor saying “a bad thing happened to a good team last night” when sharing highlights. So I think that might speak to what the national media thought of the 1991 team.

What helped Hackett was working as Aaron Rodgers’ OC. On paper he could take credit for the success offensively in Green Bay. Of course, it’s flawed logic, but NFL owners make dumb hires all the time. Read the excerpt from the Broncos page below: I don’t think it was all nepotism. I mean it definitely didn’t hurt and probably made him more marketable. But I think he sold them on the success he had in GB. Nepotism likely got him his first NFL jobs as well as his stops as OC under Marrone w/o much proven experience During Hackett's three seasons as Green Bay's offensive coordinator, the Packers ranked fifth in the NFL in scoring (27.2 ppg) while committing the fewest turnovers (37 - 0.75/game) in the league. Playing for Hackett, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers earned his third and fourth career MVP honors, winning the award in consecutive seasons from 2020-21. Over the last three seasons, All-Pro wide receiver Davante Adams ranked second in the NFL in receptions (321), receiving yards (3,924) and receiving touchdowns (34) while posting two of the Top 3 single-season reception marks by a Packer (123 in 2021; 115 in 2020). Most recently in 2021, Green Bay's offense ranked in the Top 10 in average time of possession (30:36–5th), third-down percentage (41.7%–T-7th), scoring (26.5–T-9th), yards per game (365.6–10th), total yards (6,215–10th) and total points (450–10th). Additionally, the Packers finished with the fewest giveaways (13) in the NFL. In 2020, Hackett helped the Packers' offense rank No. 1 in scoring (31.8), touchdowns (66), fewest giveaways (franchise-record 11), red zone TD percentage (team-record 80%) and time of possession (32:29) while ranking No. 2 in third-down percentage (team-record 49.4). Green Bay became just the third team in league history to record 500-plus points and commit 11 or fewer giveaways in a single season. That season, the Packers featured four players (Rodgers, Adams, T David Bakhtiari and C Corey Linsley) who earned first-team All-Pro honors—Green Bay's most first-team selections on offense since 1962 (6).”

This was a very strange tweet. My only guess is that it was directed toward fans coming down on hard on Jimmy G. He’s blaming the SF defense for playing like crap, rather than blaming the offense (who also played like crap).

This came across my timeline. Apparently former Bills DC Walt Corey died today. I’m a little surprised we didn’t hear anything from the Bills. Corey was a former Texas/Chief and coached there for 12 years before coaching in Buffalo. As far as a DC, the Bills defense certainly had their moments. But like a lot of players on the 1994 team, Marv probably kept Walt around as DC a few years longer than he should have. I didn’t realize that after he left Buffalo in 1994, Corey coached the Saint DL under Ditka.

Watkins was a very bad pick considering what Whaley and Monos overpaid to get him. His career is the perfect storm of a poor situation, bad luck (injuries), apathy and sheer laziness. Sammy has underperformed for every team he’s played for to the point that disappointed fans can’t wait to get him out the door. I remember some Bills fans here saying “well…Sammy won a Super Bowl.” Ok…so did DeMarcus Robinson. It doesn’t mean he was a great WR. Wasted potential

If the Jets are smart they’ll trade him to an NFC team. I don’t want to see him on Baltimore, KC or LAC

That’s pretty cool… I can’t figure out how they can call the game from where the press box is at the top of the stadium. It’s so ridiculously high, it has to be tough to make out numbers. I saw Baldy had a monitor but not the PxP guy.