Virgil

Apparently, the Seahawks are shopping Graham and looking for a LT. They are talking to the Texans now. I dont want to lose Glenn, unless there is something more to his medical that I dont know, but maybe there is a chance. The fact that we need a TE and his contract is up after this year makes it seem at least possible.

Keep going.... Didnt we lose when Thurman, Daryl, and Ralph was honored most recently. Im too lazy to google

These threads really make me hope we get to 6-2.

I see both sides. If he doesnt fit the culture, hes barely playing, take the hit when the season is halfway done, eat the 14 mil next year (which isnt actually paid) and get out of it rather than have the cancer grow. On the other side, this guy was a 3rd round pick. It motivated, hes a major contributor and was a bit piece of the franchise. A coach is supposed to gain buy in and it seems we are just sink or swim. He is worth more than a 6th, but it also another suspension away from 10 games. Either way, we know what hes capable of and we arent saving much this year or next to get rid of him. But if we are about long term, then it was good to happen like this.

This means we will lose. Wall of game games get ugly. I wish I could pull a stat, but recent memory is all I got

It helps sometimes. But don't care either way. I think more and more things are going that way though

Hold me...I'm scared

I dont see the point in cutting him. His dead cap hit is only 3 mil less than his salary. Youll pay that to his replacement. The contract sucks and we just need to make the best of it, unless we have a trade partner who can give us talent in return.

Ive said this before. I want Tyrod to be the guy. I know it could be worse. Im just saying that he looks different in person and I think he can only take us so far. He should start until we find a better solution. But we definitely need to keep looking.

Earned the reputation of not orchestrating late game comebacks.

I was your 20,000th post?! I feel honored!

OJ Howard hasn't been used in the passing game all season. Brate's been the man. Lorax hurt us, but when the 2nd string TE is hurting us, I'll say it was more of a surprise

The stadium started to clear out at 27-20. Everyone was pretty convinced we would lose. Unfortunately, TT and the team earned this. Fortunately, they scored in 3 plays to keep people around. The stadium was deafening when White created that fumble. It was a nice, different feeling

Sorry for the lateness everyone, but I attended the game in person and had a lot of driving to do afterwards. That, plus an early flight to a work function in Orlando, and I'm beat. Being at the game provided me with a much different perspective on a bunch of things and I'm sorry to say that these thoughts might be a bit more negative than I try to be. I know that a win is a win and that this was only one game, but I'm still trying to figure out who we are as a team, coaching staff, and everything else right now; so it's hard to not try to evaluate as part of the big picture. 1 - Defensive Line - It was halfway through the 3rd quarter and my seats were right on the line of scrimmage. I was frustrated all day by how little pass rush we were able to generate and rarely sent more than our front 4. In this moment, I looked across the field and saw Dareus, Kyle, and Shaq all standing on the sidelines beside each other. In that moment, I was beside myself with anger. While I understand about keeping guys fresh and rotating guys based upon situation, there is absolutely no excuse to have 3 of our top 4 player on the sideline at one time. This is probably the one thing about the new regime that I'm not a fan of. Buy-in to your system or not, these guys have proven themselves as a talent and it can't just be your way or the highway. Maybe you need to bend a little and be a coach to your players to see what motivates them. Professionals or not, that end result just shouldn't happen. 2 - Defensive Coverage - To get lit up through the air like that was very scary for me. I'm really hoping this was a one game fluke as we have Carr, Brees, and Brady all coming to see us soon. I understand that the Howard TD's were blown coverages by Lorax, but that still doesn't excuse 350+ passing yards. We seem to be going more man coverage, which is another issue I have. Didn't we get rid of guys because they couldn't play zone well and are not really thin in the secondary? And with playing man, we are not sending more than 4, which gave Jameis all day to throw. Yes, we created turnovers and yes, we won, but 27 points and those yards at home after a bye week? I'm more than a little concerned about the blueprint shown to the rest of the league about our defense. Give the Bucs credit all you want, but they were 2-3 for a reason. Oakland looked incredible last week and I'm really nervous to see how next weeks game goes. 3 - Bye Week Prep - Like second half adjustments, I've liked what this team has done so far from a coaching and prep standpoint. With that, having a defensive performance like this, at home, after a bye week, to a sub .500 team is alarming. Yes, any given Sunday and it's a weird league. But we made the Bucs look like a solid playoff team when they haven't all year so far. I don't have anything else specific about this other than the end result, but just a worry going forward. 4 - I knew you before the west was won And I heard you say the past was much more fun You go your way, I go mine But I'll see you next time 5 - Milano - His interception is one of the better defensive plays I've seen this year, let alone by a rookie. It was even more impressive when I saw the replay when I got home. While White and Jones have 1st and 2nd round expectations, I'm starting to think he could be our diamond in the rough from the draft. I'm really looking forward to seeing what this kid can turn into. 6 - The Unknowns - I could state the obvious about our newest stars from the island of misfit toys, but I'm going to focus on the negatives here. How is it that a kid off the street was our first WR with over 100 yards this season. How does Jones do that off the bench on 3rd down but hasn't earned a sniff of the field before then? While I'm happy with how these guys performed, I'm really hoping to see them both get some more opportunities on the field. And like others said, I'm okay with Zay dropping to the 3rd receiver slot until he figures things out. 7 - Last play before half - I've never seen a team look so confused about what to do with 30 seconds left. McDermott can take the blame all he wants, and he should take a lot, but it was a team effort. TT never should have made that throw, the WR should have gotten the ball back quicker, the whole team should have lined up quicker. I think the WR thought we had a Time Out left. Other than that, just a complete waste of a turnover and possible 3 valuable points. For a team that supposedly practices situations all the time, maybe they should work on 60 second drills. 8 - Tolbert - I have been negative to him every week, so I need to give credit where it's due. This was his best performance by far. Saw some burst, some cuts, and some quality runs. I still don't believe he should be our #2, but he did the job this past week. Props to him. Now give Taiwan some more carries. 9 - Shady - Good to see Shady get some tosses and sweeps from the shotgun. This is where he excelled last year and I hope we see more of the same coming up. I'm hoping the success was more because of scheme and plays, and not because we were up against a porous defensive line. Either way, I hope to see more of this in weeks to come. 10 - Tyrod - This is going to be hard for me to say, but I think I'm finally ready to say that I'm ready to move on from Tyrod as our quarterback of the future. I know this is probably a weird week to say this, with a comeback win, most passing yards, and a couple of deep throws. But being at the game really showed me some things about Tyrod that I can't see on TV. Tyrod is very late on his throws, and I mean LATE. In the first quarter alone, there were a few quite a few plays where, if he threw it before their break, the WR would have an easy reception. But Tyrod had to let the play develop before making the throw, and subsequently, let the coverage back break on it too. Right after the first fumble recovery, Tyrod had Zay deep on twice in one play, but just didn't pull the trigger. He wasn't wide open, but it was a ball that absolutely should've been thrown. And yes, Zay was the only WR he was looking at. There's no excuse for that ball to not be thrown while making other endzone throws later that had no chance of being called. On the drive with the missed field goal, he also had a clear first down if he had only walked forward the 5 yards, but threw a crap pass to the endzone. For a guy who likes to run, I was really surprised he didn't. Granted, there were some great plays where he moved around in the pocket to extend a play and a few escapes for first downs. However, on those plays, I think another quarterback gets the ball out quicker and doesn't need to escape. I agree with the assessment that Tyrod needs WR's to be "college open." Watching the plays develop as slowly as they did, I have to believe other qb's take better advantage of this offense. TT will get the job done, but I now believe he caps this offense. Bonus - New Deep Ball Method - On many of our deep plays, we seemed to run delayed deep routes. One WR runs a streak to pull the safey with him, then another one runs a delayed streak behind him, usually forcing a LB to cover him. It worked on the final deep ball and I saw them run it a few times. It was an interesting play to watch, but takes some time to develop. Overall, I apologize for the negative tone as a win is a win. 4-2 feels good. 6-2 will feel a lot better. I think these next two weeks are crucial being at home and against a division opponent. Even in the chaos of some really bad football, teams are starting to turn it on and the Pats are still 5-2. It's still early, but ever win matters. Here's hoping our defense calms down before Oakland and the offense keeps this going. Go Bills!

This actually makes it more enticing. The Bills seem to be all about the salary cap dump

I dont want him gone at all. I dont want half the guys gone whove been cut or traded. But its the world we are in now

I agree. But I think Graham has less years left on his deal. With the cap hit for Glenn and Dareus, I think a contract swap may come into play.

Glenn for Graham straight up. Both have cap hits, but not being utilized. Both make immediate impacts for each team. Would you?

All it what you want, but they both make me sick. I would not watch while either team is on the roster. I was terrified with the Vick rumors. I just cant support them. Brady coming here and winning a Super Bowl is my first nightmare. It would just ruin it for me.

Listening to Vick is like listening to Arod. I dont

1 - Relocation 2 - Brady/Vick on our team. Id leave until they were off the roster. It wouldnt be the same though if/when I came back

You have championships and make the playoffs almost every single year. You know nothing of our pain

I see him just getting cut. Fits in with the current regime moves

I agree with this to a degree. You bring in a deep threat who can run vertical or just crossing routes and he can make a difference. I understand the whole route tree and timing for everything else, but that speed guy can still make the defenses need to respect him. Percy Harvin was the perfect example. There was no timing there, just WR screens and deep routes.

History would show that the OP is probably right. But thats if you believe that history is an accurate representation of things to come. After so many 3-2, even 5-2 starts, over the past 17 years that ended in failure, you cant comoletely dismiss it. Do things feel different this time? A little. Are we benching players that earned large contracts and made probowls? Yes. If Julio Jones doesnt get hurt, we probably lose to Atlanta. If our receivers arent hurt, we maybe beat Cinny. Its tough to say what team we are. Like anyone with BBFS, its easy to be cautiously pessimistic. Truth is, we just dont know yet