Mikie2times

And when Baltimore curb stomps our 300 pounders? When Philly does? You forget, this is becoming a running league. Jones will only get worse, we depend on run blitzing and leads to defend the rush. At the end of the day nobody knows. But to me it’s the same philosophy that has lead us to our playoff collapses. What works in the regular season won’t work in the playoffs. As we have shown time and time again. That’s involves run defense. 130+ rushing yards in the 4 of 5 playoff losses.

Really what? Our interior defense is maxing out at 310. That’s not the Eagles by a stretch. They have a physical interior DL. We don’t.

Who are the Eagles DT’s? You drop a 2nd round pick for a rotational pass rushing DT? Same old.

Cool, exactly what we needed to trade up, Ed Oliver’s back up

Oh ya, dummy

Pretty sure the last 1st round TE was Kincaid

I always knew he could defy gravity

So much good and so much bad and it will probably always be that way. They serve a purpose when they don't get overbearing.

This has nothing to do with immigration. But if you want to grab those farming jobs the illegals like, you can bring them all back. I'm sure the unions would love it.

I worked from nothing to get where I'm at. So I don't feel that way at all, but I never cried about how the game was rigged hoping the rules would change. You know the rules. If you don't get your degree you're looking at about a sub 5% chance of ever clearing six figures. Maybe less than that. If you want to go into the trade? You know what the average pay is, not good. You know what your job stability looks like, not good either. We are responsible for the path we take and the outcomes of that path. So tell me why our society should change the rules, have everybody else who played by them pay more, for those that failed the game?

Agree, both sides largely agree with the class war and have similar anger about the upper ____ %. I think both parties are in bed with the wrong people. Our process for funding elections basically guarantees that to be the case. Politicians are indebted to the corporations that got them elected. Neither have represented most of us for a very long time. I wish THAT is something all of us could get together on. Instead we are fragmented on largely social issues.

He won't be making 30k. It will be a unionized slob making more like 75k to sell you a TV that is 4x as much. The entire argument is to shift the playing field to the uneducated, underqualified, generally lower academically performing population in the US. They're Americas new socialist party. The dumb, white, disenfranchised.

Hell, you could get a 55-60 inch LCD for sub $300

On a serious note, you guys both are very articulate and excellent speakers. You did a great job not interrupting each other, flowing, and sounding natural. This was really well done guys!

I'm disappointed I can no longer assign whatever English accent I want to your posts.

Is he pro life? No Will his agenda support low income? No Is he a very religious man? No Does he support the beliefs of the people that voted for him? No The whole not trusting him part really isn't that hard. He is a reflection of whatever will provide him publicity and power. He's not the only politician guilty of these things.

I agree with all of this and everything you wrote in the other response. If everybody who ever partied and did the wrong thing at the wrong time is no longer capable of leadership we would be pretty directionless. If Norwood's kick or Thurman's fumble goes another way then we probably never even hear about this. Perhaps we laugh at it. Past the partying, look at his battle vs cancer. The dude is tough and resilient and that is exactly who he was on those teams. Those teams, above all else, were tough and resilient teams.

Just to recap, as I fought this fight. Warren Moon was better. Dan Marino would have won multiple Super Bowls with this team. Jim wasn't a leader, if he was he wouldn't have partied before the Super Bowls. Now to his credit, most of this isn't Kirby, in fact, I think Kirby largely agreed with what you wrote (because I wrote something very similar). I'm just sharing the collection of what I have heard debated upthread as I share a very similar opinion as you. I also agree, I think it is an honest conversation to ask ourselves how good one of our icons actually was. As icons often get a little more love than they should. For many of us, Jim was the QB during our adolescences which makes it even more nostalgic and gushy. The fact is, Jim didn't play well in the playoffs and as a whole, he likely wasn't one of the top 2-3 QB's of that era. But as you point out, I think we need to be careful to over correct. When you look at the all time passer charts, Kelly is anchored in a space that makes it pretty fair to call him a Hall of Famer. As well as one of the all time greats for the Bills. If anybody wants to say he's a top 3 guy all time, I would argue against that pretty quickly but from what I can tell most here are being fairly honest about what he was and wasn't. Then another group seems fairly bitter towards the guy which I don't really get, but some people are just bitter in general.

They all pretty much say the same thing. The athletic is the primary one. You're correct, I don't follow a nationally irrelevant program as close as somebody who went to school there like you. As I said, the ACC is a trash conference for football (soon to be basketball if not already). Anybody could come out of it. Which should leave a pretty good path for him if he can take advantage of it. Would I be completely shocked if he did? Certainly not. I wouldn't be shocked if he totally tanked or had a lot of success (whatever success means, beating Duke or Wake Forest something).

Did I hit a nerve? So nothing in these articles is true? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6282388/2025/04/17/bill-belichick-north-carolina-football-recruiting-girlfriend/?campaign=13259415&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=21748822 https://www.outkick.com/sports/bill-belichick-apparently-isnt-very-popular-north-carolina https://www.outkick.com/sports/bill-belichicks-emails-revealed-due-insistence-girlfriend-them

His ceiling is basically Julian Edelman. Which certainly is not a bad player. Edelman was a key player for the entire Patriots run, largely based on his role in the offense. I sort of expect the same from Shakir. If you took Edelman off the Patriots and he played for somebody else. I imagine he would not be much more impactful than a average slot WR.

The ACC is so bad, they will have a path if they can make it work. But color me skeptical. The GF getting involved in day to day. Calling it the 33rd team, as in the 33rd NFL team. Newsflash, while these kids want to make money, they also still want to be kids. They can do that at most the other universities in the country. They don't need a military grade HC degrading them and running them into the ground pretending they're at the pro level. I don't think he will last more than a year or two and I imagine the carnage will end up being pretty epic.

Racist

I'm going to say anybody but but @GunnerBill and that is my "hottest Bills take"