Mikie2times

He's nuts. His legs almost look like they're going so fast he loses control of his body at times. MHJ is elite, but Nabers is also a potential first year pro bowler. The separation tells you all you need to know. On his deep routes he's alone and it's not just speed. His route running tricks the DB in most cases and he's gone the second that happens.

I was just curious what you would do is all. He's growing on me. I don't like even a mild reach at WR if we have the ability to add additional picks in round 2 and 3 trading back.

What would you want to see in that situation?

On the golf course next to Josh

I never said the Bills drafted Groot and AJ on "Just arms". That notion is ridiculous. Arm lengths is one of the more coveted traits in pass rushers. Some teams trust analytics in this regard more than others. They clearly liked Groot and AJ. They both also happened to be two of the longest edge players in the drafts they were chosen. Kneeland also happens to have the same stand out length Groot and AJ had and he visited with the Bills. I don't even know what we are debating here. The hypothetical possibility of the Bills making this selection when neither of us has a clue? It's not like he's my horse in the race. If you don't think a chance exists the Bills pick him..... ok? I hope you're right.

I posted the other notable mocks in the last thread. They're growing considerably the last few weeks. I don't think I'm overthinking both AJE and Groot. They were both top 3 in arm length and wing span for the draft classes they belong to. Unless you think those weren't qualities we pursue and that was just random?

I thought the Bills would consider him which started a string of hate which picked up well in this thread. It's not uncommon for him to be mocked in the late first at this point. As I said in my other post he has physical traits in his arm length and wingspan that we clearly covet given our selection of AJ and Groot. It just wouldn't shock me if they feel he has a first round grade. Hoping we don't see this as well and I'm a WMU grad.

Will watch it again. Really great analysis. He liked the shot to Shakir vs going to Diggs on the highly debated 2nd down play. Called out a potential bad read by multiple players on the 1st down run play. I didn't realize how much real estate Allen likely had if that is a read option and he pulls the ball out. He might have scored. Also discussed the 3rd down, Shakir was open on the left side for what likely is a first down. Allen didn't look that way. He was drooling over Josh's playmaking ability. Riding Diggs hard. Called him out several times for lack of effort and finishing routes. You see it. Lazy routes, rounded, not at the distances needed. Josh is one of the most insane playmakers in NFL history and his out of structure game is at a level few players have ever seen. Something to be said for boring, repeatable, drop back and throws. Brady was the king of this. Structured stuff is what Josh needs to keep improving on. I think Brady had him going in the right direction with that last year. Seems to do much better when we try and establish the run and work in the shorter designed passes as we did vs KC. Really worth the watch.

For sure. Even in my early 40's I could throw up some jump balls. The WR is sure to win one or two. As Simon pointed out I think some hitches or slants could be possible. The catch here is if this really was a strategic thing with the goal to not allow you to complete a pass I'm pretty sure you would face some pretty wicked blitzes. I'm not sure any of us would get up after getting knocked down by a DL or blitzing LB. Along similar lines, I wonder if people think they could gain 10 yards running in a full game or if they could catch a pass. I would say that would be way more difficult than just a single completed pass. Both running and catching would force you into the jungle and I don't know if any of us are surviving that.

I would rather have McConkey over Pearsall but either one would be nice. Kitchens seems right up our alley. Super underrated with that 40 but look at Poyer and Hyde. Not exactly burners.

Probably end up somewhere between the wild card and AFC championship

Josh only cares about golf

The rumors of teams in the mid to late 20's being interested are picking up. He has had official visits with with several teams picking in the mid to late 20's. I don't think it's a stretch like it was a months ago. https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/2024-packers-draft-visits-marshawn-kneeland https://atozsports.com/indianapolis/colts-2024-nfl-draft-visit-marshawn-kneeland-edge-rusher/ https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-mailbag-surprise-coming-first-round-pick/ https://athlonsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/bills-central/news/nfl-mock-draft-buffalo-bills-first-round-pick-marshawn-kneeland https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-teams-trade-up-for-non-qbs-as-packers-cardinals-move-back-bears-land-franchise-qb-wr/

It doesn't look like I'm going to be taking my talents to Boston College anytime soon.

A visual argument against excessive quinoa

Don't want him, but pretty sure this knocked him down a peg. Having the level of success he had would go to most peoples heads. Life has a tendency to snap most out of it unless it's that deep in his bones which I doubt. He shoveled a decent amount of crap to get where he is.

I hope. Lots of reports have him inching into the late first round right now. It's a risk in my opinion. Especially if the juicy WR's are largely off the board.

Need to make room for more wild card banners

They target arm length and wingspan at the position. Groot and AJ were in the top 3 DE's in that category, both in the high 80 and 90th percentile in that category. It wasn't by some accident. Kneeland is this year and they already hosted him for a visit in Buffalo. So as much as I would also hate this pick I don't think it's very far fetched. We have shown it's a position we will invest heavily in. We have need. We have shown interest in Kneeland and his profile is similar to two players we drafted prior. Don't shoot the messenger. I like McConkey a lot. He really stepped up when Bowers went down. I think he can do a lot of things for us.

If Marshawn Kneeland is available round 1 I think that is who we will pick and it's going to piss a lot of people off. Beane just doesn't seem to value WR's at a high rate.

I think it’s as good as any. He played for 3 teams in 5 years. Didn’t start for the 49ers for several years. Eventually came to Buffalo after 5 years and turned into pro bowl player. He was a first round pick as well.

Nothing...it's deserved.

I pealed back on projection status for these guys. Makes sense if he is looking to go sooner. I know he was mocked past the 3rd round a few months ago but as far as current value I really have no idea. I'm a pretty big college football nut and he caught my eye. Most people thought he would be Taylor 2.0. Lots of good backs in this class. I was hoping Ashton Jeanty would come out but he's staying with Boise another year. He's going to be a fun guy to track next year.