Mikie2times

I agree with all of this and everything you wrote in the other response. If everybody who ever partied and did the wrong thing at the wrong time is no longer capable of leadership we would be pretty directionless. If Norwood's kick or Thurman's fumble goes another way then we probably never even hear about this. Perhaps we laugh at it. Past the partying, look at his battle vs cancer. The dude is tough and resilient and that is exactly who he was on those teams. Those teams, above all else, were tough and resilient teams.

Just to recap, as I fought this fight. Warren Moon was better. Dan Marino would have won multiple Super Bowls with this team. Jim wasn't a leader, if he was he wouldn't have partied before the Super Bowls. Now to his credit, most of this isn't Kirby, in fact, I think Kirby largely agreed with what you wrote (because I wrote something very similar). I'm just sharing the collection of what I have heard debated upthread as I share a very similar opinion as you. I also agree, I think it is an honest conversation to ask ourselves how good one of our icons actually was. As icons often get a little more love than they should. For many of us, Jim was the QB during our adolescences which makes it even more nostalgic and gushy. The fact is, Jim didn't play well in the playoffs and as a whole, he likely wasn't one of the top 2-3 QB's of that era. But as you point out, I think we need to be careful to over correct. When you look at the all time passer charts, Kelly is anchored in a space that makes it pretty fair to call him a Hall of Famer. As well as one of the all time greats for the Bills. If anybody wants to say he's a top 3 guy all time, I would argue against that pretty quickly but from what I can tell most here are being fairly honest about what he was and wasn't. Then another group seems fairly bitter towards the guy which I don't really get, but some people are just bitter in general.

They all pretty much say the same thing. The athletic is the primary one. You're correct, I don't follow a nationally irrelevant program as close as somebody who went to school there like you. As I said, the ACC is a trash conference for football (soon to be basketball if not already). Anybody could come out of it. Which should leave a pretty good path for him if he can take advantage of it. Would I be completely shocked if he did? Certainly not. I wouldn't be shocked if he totally tanked or had a lot of success (whatever success means, beating Duke or Wake Forest something).

Did I hit a nerve? So nothing in these articles is true? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6282388/2025/04/17/bill-belichick-north-carolina-football-recruiting-girlfriend/?campaign=13259415&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=21748822 https://www.outkick.com/sports/bill-belichick-apparently-isnt-very-popular-north-carolina https://www.outkick.com/sports/bill-belichicks-emails-revealed-due-insistence-girlfriend-them

His ceiling is basically Julian Edelman. Which certainly is not a bad player. Edelman was a key player for the entire Patriots run, largely based on his role in the offense. I sort of expect the same from Shakir. If you took Edelman off the Patriots and he played for somebody else. I imagine he would not be much more impactful than a average slot WR.

The ACC is so bad, they will have a path if they can make it work. But color me skeptical. The GF getting involved in day to day. Calling it the 33rd team, as in the 33rd NFL team. Newsflash, while these kids want to make money, they also still want to be kids. They can do that at most the other universities in the country. They don't need a military grade HC degrading them and running them into the ground pretending they're at the pro level. I don't think he will last more than a year or two and I imagine the carnage will end up being pretty epic.

Racist

I'm going to say anybody but but @GunnerBill and that is my "hottest Bills take"

One time I had a colonoscopy and I was wasn't actually knocked out. Whatever they gave me, I was flying. But again, awake, and somewhat aware I was flying. So I would take that experience over most Easters. But since then I have had two more. Not as much fun. Just the awful bowel prep, fully knocked out, and groggy/out of it after. If it was like those ones I'm all Easter bunny. Fun times.

They went 48-34 in the regular season. They would be a 5 or 6 usually.

His show with his brother is pretty funny

You’re the only person I have ever met that calls the NFL playoffs “the tournament”. I imagine it’s trying to liken in to March Madness as part of an agenda so we can feel better about our team (shocking, a guy named process truster trying to campaign for the playoffs to not matter). We have officially seen it all. Sorry, but “the tournament” is all that matters for history or anything else. Nobody remembers what happens outside “the tournament” 20 years later. Nobody cares about the regular season.

I could get behind the idea of getting rid of divisions. The rivalries seem to be less meaningful with only a few marquee ones. They would play once in the regular season anyway. Everybody plays a conference opponent once, the, 2nd to last game you play the conference opponent who is ranked directly above you. Last game you play the opposite ranked opponent (1 vs 16) in the other conference, which should make for some fun cross conference showdowns for the final wild card in the final week. Also leaving some meaningless games like we are used to (and some teams earn). Then double bye (still like this better).

As much as I hate the one team bye I can see the logic in it. You want the regular season games to matter and you want to give a big edge to very best team in each conference based on that regular season performance. I think this is a fair outlook. If you do a two team bye you're basically saying the 2nd and 1st team are the same because the prize is the bye. But I can also see an argument for saying ok, two byes, and the prize is Home Field in the Conference championship. All I know is it sucks that our success has fallen under the 1 team bye format. That has contributed heavily to our inability to get to a Super Bowl IMO

Tua is a system QB who is rather soft, surrounded with elite talent. He puts a permanent ceiling on the Dolphins. I hope they keep him forever. We don’t know who Maye is yet but he could end up being a very good player. So at this point, certainly far more dangerous than Tua will ever be.

He's a guy Brady needs in his offense. Somebody that you can run those screens with, elite YAC. Always keep ahead of the sticks. I would argue his "skill" is so required in our offense his impact is at a level much higher than his actual value or talent as a WR.

All I remember about that game was screens for days and it was so pretty. Packers power sweep like execution. We did it better than anybody.

We have not been a fundamentally sound run defense in years. We depend on leads and gambling with run blitzes to prevent teams from running. Which works against the scrubs we play in the regular season but that's where it ends. We are 13-14 when we allow 130 yards+ since 2020 in the regular season. We allowed 447 yards rushing to Baltimore in two games last year These are the outputs we have allowed in the playoffs: 2020: 163, 150, 114 (L) 2021: 89, 182 (L) 2022: 42, 172 (L) 2023: 106, 146 (L) 2024: 79, 176, 135 (L) So do the math. 13-14 in the regular season when we allow 130+. We have allowed 130+ in 7 of 12 playoff games. In 4 out of 5 of our playoff losses.

Disagree with the 3T / 1T. For our system, it can make all the difference in the world. If you can get a good 1 tech Bernard will become a Pro Bowl LB. We want that guy for the playoffs so teams can't run on us. Regular season it isn't as critical because we always play with a lead. But against good teams stopping the run matters.

One this is for certain, we will or we won’t, and that goes for either way.

High motors

He thought we walking into Econ 101 and it ended up being English 101. New words can be exciting to use.

Oligrachy....you fool. Your handler is the same as what you think your enemy is. He just sold the sellable.

We want a trickling demise. Like the urinary flow transitioning from a young man to an old man. We want Miami to slowly and methodically inch closer to permanent flaccidness. While nobody is any wiser for several years. "Tua" Tank if you will.

Some things in life show how disconnected you're from what is real and what is not real (I understand you MAGA's claim to be the experts at this). If your point here was to show how his approval rate increased among the demographic more likely to have voted for him or using methodology that is subject to sample size problems then so be it. I can't help if one person declares something and another repeats it. But if you ACTUALLY believe his nationwide polling numbers are better you have transcended into another level of bias idiocy that I didn't think was capable of being reached.