Mikie2times

I didn't say I was smarter than other people but it does appear like I have thicker skin.

When the Bengals window was open they accomplished more, including taking us to the woodshed multiple times. Nobody is saying our FO is terrible or mediocre. Is it possible they're average with an all time QB leading the way? Look at what has happened in New York to the direct disciples of this regime. Yes. It's very possible, IMO probable.

The Bengals have played several years without Burrow and have advanced further than the Bills despite that. We have essentially been in a state where competent defensive play would have gotten us at least to how far the Bengals have been. But we haven't been able to be competent against higher competition. You see what our offspring in New York is doing without Allen. I don't think it's inarguable at all. I think it's extremely overstated how effective our roster building is.

I think what we can say about Josh is he is responsible for more offense than anybody else to ever play the game. Guys have been more accomplished, more efficient, but nobody has ever created more offense than Josh. With that, no matter how much you like Joe Brady, I would never sign him to be my HC. Same with Daboll or anybody else associated with Allen. Josh makes it very difficult to determine how players and coaches would perform outside of him.

We haven't been fine in the playoffs to this point and I don't know that I echo the taking a chance on a game winning drive to win in the playoffs until we execute on such a drive. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, I just don't think what we have seen thus far really tells us a heck of a lot either way. I don't feel any worse and I don't feel any better. We will learn a lot more as the season progresses.

We are down 1 starting DT and a starting LB that has barely played the last two years. But lets not focus on that. It sounds like from your view we can go ahead and check the playoff ready box?

If you met the two, which one would you give the endorsement? It's a not a knock on Lamar, nobody in the NFL is beating Josh. His image is flawless, he's a good looking dude, articulate, and easy for normal people to relate with.

They can easily have a rookie come in and throw jump balls in the end zone. No idea why they’re waiting. Even Winston can catch fire and give you a chance.

I don’t think these are best examples OP, just because they’re in the moment plays. But I do think we will start to see teams throwing more when a team has two or three timeouts. Run, Run, Pass, is how the Ravens ultimately lost (many things but that was one). It’s how the Cardinals lost today. Run your damn offense. 3rd and long with your opponent short two timeouts is not a victory in that situation. It’s exactly what the defense wants.

Actually, you can have both. It's called balance.

The literally absolutely insane 4th down TD in AFC championship game. The countless 30+ yard runs last year. I don't think he's the 2nd best player on offense, I think he's the 2nd best player on our team. I get some peoples trepidation on the 15 million, but some of the offseason takes were essentially RB's mean nothing and Davis would do just fine. Just so off the mark. He's trending toward being in first team All Pro conversation. Last back we had to that was Thurman. All of this even more impressive considering he just got paid.

Davis is 5”8, regardless if it’s 220 or 208, it’s a very compact build and he’s going to be bringing a lot of power. Johnson emerged more towards the end of last season. They like him in passing downs a lot. You also can’t tip your hand with him in the game so he’s going to get some carries. Ultimately I think this is more about them preferring Cook and Johnson vs any weight concerns with Davis.

I nominate Walkers nickname as Gru.

That was a scary miss

I love when we go with the creep defense or double mug. Such a difficult coverage to read the drops from and creates a lot to confusion.

This season is like revenge mode for the haters. Happy for Cook and Dalton

Cook is so good. He was probably worth the damn 15 million

haha....all good dude

I have explained why. I thought it was interesting how people knock our WR investment, including myself, yet here we are, signifgantly better positioned than KC, our nemesis, who invests heavily into the position. That was it man. No greater thoughts. No desire to be overly specific. Clearly some people have that desire. It was just my god, KC is a dumpster fire at WR nearly every time I see them and we aren't. Within that context, one where I'm being complimentary to the Bills, why in gods name do you think I omitted information intentionally to make us look worse? This doesn't really matter and like I said I would just prefer to drop this outright.

It upsets me that a well intentioned post is now being targeted for being deceptive by somebody who I generally think is a decent poster around here. I mean, it doesn't really upset me, it's a message board. But it surprises me and I don't really have the time for it at this point.

I get the argument. I'm not in a position to also evaluate the impacts of every decision the Chiefs made like the Tyreek Hill trade to make it relative. Some people in this thread want to include the Kincaid pick. How do you draw a line? Even if I went back to say 2019 with draft picks, it would show the Chiefs have invested more. But wait, what about the Diggs pick, should that count? The OP was a simple observation. That is all. That despite not investing in significant resources the last several years (while in a position of need, mind you without guys like Diggs or Gabe Davis) we are in a much better position than the Chiefs who have done so. That also includes the fact that all these players people want to include are not with us. People are losing track of the reason for the post and trying to make this a comprehensive study in wide receiver investment. Not the reason for the post and if it was, I would say we have spent signifgantly less at WR over the last 4 years anyway and seem to be better as a result. I'm not going to debate something that wasn't even the purpose of the post because you want it so. Sorry man. You're wayyyyyyy to conspiracy oriented if you think I had some intention based on the year I started with. My god, get a grip. It's a positive post about this team.

Why not go back to the start of the regime then? 2020 is just as arbitrary as 2021. I was looking at recent investment. If you want to discuss a different window have at it.

That is on page 2, and I started with 2021, because this has been a conversation of more recent investment. I was never looking at it dating back to total historical investment. Historically the Chiefs have not been in that bad of a position with WR. Historically, Buffalo has committed more assets to WR's. The topic of the thread is focusing on a time period where Buffalo did not invest as heavily, and the Chiefs did. Most of the players making up pre 2021 are no longer with either team. Again, wasn't an attempt to inventory both regimes since day one.

Take a look at page two, I did a similar look last year and posted on it. Nice work.

Miami would F us with a Tyreek trade. Yes, he would be effective. It would elevate them considerably, especially if Worthy and Rice are healthy.