Mikie2times

This is the 2nd most disgusting post of the offseason. @HOUSE gets the first for his recent antics.

I think the same with Jones. I know a lot of these guys can play that role if asked but I would think a guy whose main role being run support is still important. Games like Philly and Baltimore still present significant stress to the run defense even with all these acquisitions.

I don't know if we will be healthier again. More depth now though which we really needed although depth at LB scares the crap out of me.

I'm not going to get into the weeds too much here. As I think this conversation has digressed into "we suck" a bit too much from either perspective. I posted this yesterday showing how teams have used draft allocation since 2018. Drafting WR's at high rates doesn't mean you will be good. As it seems pretty clear looking at the top 5-10, that is often not the case. But just as clear, anybody in the area Buffalo is has a fairly developed WR room. Along with that, most of the teams we are chasing are at least ranked in the middle area. They value the position and they keep deploying assets towards it. In that thread, you can also see DL and DB as two of the positions the most successful teams target. Which is exactly what we did this draft. Further, when you roll up all three positions (WR/DL/DB) you do see some very good teams near the top. So to me basically everybody is right on these takes. The DL and DB position groups needed help and good teams stock up in these positions. But good teams also draft WR pretty consistently, that is unless they have a fairly stacked roster. Throwing in everything combined, if I had to say what three positions appear most important to focus on as far as what the better teams in this league are doing, it's WR/DL/DB in no order. We should be drafting at least one if not two WR's a year until the room is filled out. That isn't insulting Beane, that's just saying what it appears like most of our higher level competitors do. At the very least, what most of them do if they don't already have that position filled.

I think Colemans natural position is big slot. Makes sense if he needs a little help getting off the ball. Just a crowded area for our WR's. The first half of the comeback was an absolute clinic. One of the best I ever recall seeing. But classic case of systems failing when competition increased. It was hard for them to protect leads.

The thud you hear at the start is his sack hitting the table. Its how he enters a room now.

Ready to get after it

Honestly man, I write plenty of good things about this team and things to just better understand the team statistically. My opinions are how I feel. It’s not some sort of agenda (as it appears to be with you) labeling anybody who doesn’t kiss our leaderships feet as a “non fan hater”. Keep it on football and the content, not me.

One trend sort of stands out, allocation to WR/DL/DB as the 3 primary. Look at the leaderboards in that area.

I did this pre draft and here is the post draft update: I took Fitzgerald-Spielberger average pick value for trade purposes (1st pick is worth 3000, 2nd 2649) all the way to the end of the draft. I then evaluated by position how much each team spent as a % of the total pick value they were allotted since 2018. While not perfect, I'm attempting to get some statistical way to represent what we have spent at each position in draft capitol in relation to other teams. Again, this is as a % of that teams total capitol, so it's looking more for how you spent what you had, not how much did you have. These are the rankings by position with the heat graph below.

My sweet spot would probably be 30. But ya, do you ever reach a point in life where you don’t like beautiful women?

This seems to be a really interesting grouping not only thru training camp but also when Ogunjobi and Hoecht (can we please give nicknames?) return. It would seem Hoecht could be more of a hybrid as far as position allocation, so another layer with that factored in. How many do we typically keep each year is also not something I'm 100% on. So I'm curious what some people think as far as what they expect this to look like out of camp and what they expect this to look like when those two players return. Do you see any surprise cuts? I have heard Jones and Carter being tossed around, but those appear to be the likely 1 tech DT's? I know Ogunjobi can play that spot as well. Perhaps even Walker although most his draft feedback has said that isn't necessarily who he is.

One group of posters is happy for how far this team has come and is reasonably content with where our franchise is. Another group recognizes our achievements but will always be critical until we win a Super Bowl. Every argument about this team is based on that, including this one.

It's in the middle IMO. But point taken.

Yup. Very few paths to winning it all that don't require the offense to have a few clutch drives.

Then post where your data is coming from given this topic and the data sources associated with it are not exactly consistent nor understood.

I'm clearly exaggerating the 70% and literally zero chance on earth exists that Allen stays in the pocket at the league average. As soon as they have better transparency on offensive production in and out of the pocket you will have your key to why our offense is what it is.

are you really trying to argue that we have even a third of the weapons the Bengals do? He was a back up QB that came in and nearly led them to the playoffs. You're talking about Tyrod Taylor? Get a grip man.

Welp, given the Vikings produced a top 10 offense with him last year and the Bengals averaged 23 points a game with JAKE BROWNING in 2023. I would say it's a pretty obvious yes.

You assumed he needed to be pressured to leave the pocket? What does it look like without him? Maybe with Sam Darnold? You think it's a top 10 unit? Oh please say yes.....🤣

Allen leaves the pocket on 70%+ of his drop backs. So if we want to sing the praises of our low sack rates, I think that's a little more complicated. Still, nobody said the line was poor. Never read it anywhere. It's what people lean in on to defend the lack of resources bestowed upon our offense. Meanwhile Gabe Davis leaves and goes on to average 30 yards per game when healthy last year for Jacksonville. He would be a #2 WR on this offense and you could argue he might even be a #1. I don't know how you can contort your view to call that average. Nobody from this team is leaving this offense, going to another team, and performing better. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. That includes the lineman. Josh accounts for so much production off script, this entire thing would become unrecognizable without him. So we partner that with a very good ground attack and say look at how good we are. Again, because of 17 for the most part. Back that out and we aren't even a league average unit.

By all means, if you can measure how well a QB is "protected" after leaving the pocket after 2 seconds every drop back, let me know. That's on Josh usually with him bailing, but the call outs on how he doesn't get sacked are basically meaningless. The line is strong either way. Nobody said it wasn't. Our skill position players are trash. If you want to blame Allen for that it would be a hilarious plot turn in the many I have seen on here.

Moore would be an excellent addition. IMO he has a much higher ceiling than what he has shown thus far and has been dragged down by atrocious QB play his first 4 years.

For many here he is infallible, which is just as off base as he's awful. But as has been pointed out over a 100 times, he doesn't see nuance to the offensive production. That production is excellent, so attention can be spent elsewhere. It's punishing Allen because he's that good. They don't feel like he needs additional resources.

Eyebrows as well please