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I think the data teams are accumulating based on movement such as playing speed along with data they're gathering with the use of video analysis tools will eventually outclass the opinions of draft experts by a significant enough margin that we won't have these conversations. That is just the tip of the iceberg as well. I'm sure we will see some pretty wicked advances in tech in the next few years. Now will this data eventually become available to the public? Probably. But I'm sure even this year they had some data points that the public did not have access to.

Ok......damn it. I'll send the jersey back.

When we drafted Josh we didn't know exactly what we would get. What players would be the best for him from a system standpoint. We brought in the Smurfs in droves which would usually be a nod to YAC being a focus. I think early on we wanted YAC to be a focus. Over time we have seen Buffalo consistently as one of the worst YAC teams in the NFL. We are often off schedule. We are about as far from a rhythm offense is you could get. Allens ability to buy a second or two, deliver passes in absurd windows, and literally throw additional distances to make up for YAC is what we have seen. We can fight this all we want in hopes he becomes more of a systematic passer but this is just who Allen is. I look at the Coleman pick as one of the first pieces we added knowing exactly what Josh needs. Not what a system needs. He has never had a target that is always open even if he is covered. That he can throw a 50/50 ball to with any consistency and really maximize in unstructured situations. Coleman will be that guy in spades. I also see a guy who is very good in the middle of the field. Which is an area our offense all but avoided until the Pittsburgh playoff game last year. Coleman doesn't need to run past people to be a great fit here and who he can be paired with Josh is likely far more than who he could be paired within more structured systems. We will get a ton of this his rookie year which will buy him more time to develop into a polished WR who likely will line up in multiple spots over the long run.

Ya, I think it's more of the threat of it that makes it impactful

Things people don't say who have experience and wisdom 😂

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Gotta get me some of that Franky Franklin

I think people are much more pissed off over our philosophy than specific players. Even if they hated Keon Coleman, most people will acknowledge it's a crap shoot and that he could end up being a very good player for us. I think where people do have a legitimate beef is just in the lack of resources used at WR as a whole. They see a GM who has taken one WR in the first two rounds during his tenure. Who post Diggs being traded had a decent hole created. One given our resources was likely not going to be filled in FA or even in FA and the draft. But I think people are pretty frustrated that we seemed to do the bare minimum to remedy that for even next year. They sort of think how can we not have at least developmental needs with a late pick? It's pure neglect to them. I feel we are likely better off than people think as I expect Kincaid to become a pro bowl TE this year. I also expect us to live in two TE and primarily be a running team. That is what we did the last 7 games last year when we went 7-1. We barely threw to WR's in that stretch. I think the perception was we would have wanted to do so more. I'm not sure that's the case. I certainly understand why people are pissed off. As a whole, looking at the attention to this position. It has been rather poor. As one poster mentioned it seems like we just follow KC with everything we do. Since they won SB's without the elite WR it seems like we have said look! We don't require this! The funny thing being, KC seems to be really trying to increase production in that position. So even if they found success they seem to have recognized how limiting the lack of talent ahs been for them.

I bet he plays Madden as well

Ya, I always liked the name, they're actually a pretty good team to check out in that neck of the woods. Sylvania, Perrysburg, Toledo.....over a decade, love the cost of living. That's about it.

As a former Toledo resident I'm offended. I also offending myself for being a Toledo resident.

To say this could be the end as we know it would be to undersell the situation

Shakir was a hit. Davis was a hit. We actually aren’t that bad at late WR picks. Maybe we didn’t value the guys in your board. My argument is it’s pretty funny watching people say the difference in this being a good draft or not is a 4th round WR. This is getting more clear to me. We had to trade for Aiyuk, take one of the big 3, or take two in the first two rounds. That was basically the standard I’m seeing. It’s just being packaged differently by posters because they know such an ask is getting closer to fantasy world than reality.

4 picks in the 20’s. Three consecutive picks to end the first round and start round two. Do you really think the level of talent in those players was going to be the difference maker for us at WR? What if we took Worthy? Legette with the last pick in Round 1 would that have past the test for you? Just make the full leap to completely irrational please. It wasn’t one of the best WR drafts of all time. It was top heavy. Then the rest of the talent was significantly lower in rank than then the big three. Who cares who KC picked, have you seen the track record they have drafting WR? Rice is the best guy they have taken since Mahomes was drafted.

Buffalo and the rest of the NFL for that matter had 4-10 at end of round one / start of round 2. The only 1st rounders to pick were the big 3. Everybody after that was an equal crapshoot. Which is why we traded back. The idea that a 4th round type would have elevated this class to acceptable makes me really question the perspectives here.

I'm getting his Christmas card ready early this year

I prefer Coleman ahead of anybody outside the Big 3. Regardless if you do or don't, enough people exist on both sides of the argument to say a consensus doesn't exist. 4-7 aren't guaranteed to be better. It wouldn't even be categorized as likely. It's a total crap shoot right now. If that is the case the trade back actually makes some sense. Would you have wanted to see 2 of the top 8 come our way? Clearly we wouldn't know if that would solve anything I'm just asking for context of what would have made you feel we made the correct amount of effort.

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Void of a trade up for one of the big 3 or for an established player I didn't see a scenario where this draft concluded and we could declare we had what we needed. If we did make such a declaration we would be wrong. From my perspective MLB was in even worse shape last year and that worked out ok. I'm excited to see what Coleman brings as I actually like the pick. Kincaid could turn into a pro bowler this year as well. I think a few other things could work out at WR to our benefit but sure, we could likely stand to have another hitter. I know everybody wants to take the next step at the position and give Josh some elite weapons but if we could say that isn't happening because we only took one WR and not a 2nd deeper in the draft I would say the logic is faulty and the perspective is poor. The draft wasn't going to solve all of this.

Last year Houston was largely considered to have the worst WR core in the NFL.

We don't have Morse, Poyer, Hyde, Diggs, Tre, and Gabe. Allen is the only remaining captain on the roster. Regardless of what moves we made did it really require Beane saying we are in transition? It seems sort of obvious given the roster changes. Transition also doesn't have to mean we won't be competitive. We went 6-1 the last 7 games with Diggs and Davis contributing 46 catches for 571 yards and 3 TD's. They just didn't exist. To me it's not unreasonable to think Kincaid will increase his contributions signifgantly. Knox could increase as well. Shakir is likely to keep getting better as he has each year he has played. So I ask myself, can Kincaid/Shakir +1 year, along with Samuel, and Coleman best last years group the 2nd half of the way when we went 6-1? Why not? Then you shift to defense. What did Poyer and Hyde have left in the tank? Poyer was brutally slow. Hyde couldn't stay healthy. Tre was a leader in spirit more than body. So we add Cole Bishop to that group. Rapp gets more familiar with the system. Bernard has another year. AJ has another year. Groot, ED, and oh ya, Milano comes back. Jones is healthy. Perhaps Von gives us 10+ sacks, which I think he will. So why again won't the defense be just as good with potential to be better? They're younger and more athletic. I actually think with all of our "transition" this team will be better next year. We won't have better depth. We might also take some time to come together as always is the case. But it's not very difficult to see how we replace what we have lost and how that could even grow. Now does all this give me confidence that we can win more than a wild card? Not really. I can't view this team as clutch and mentally hardened until they show they're on that stage. But if the questions is can we get back to find out this year? Sure.

You can see why he clicked with Josh. He has that playful kid like demeanor to him. Super confident. Sort of a breath of fresh air to be honest. I don't recall a lot of Bills like him over the years.

Josh Brown, Cole Beasley, Khalil Shakir, Deonte Harty, Jamison Crowder......are these big body WR's? Is James Cook a bruising RB?