Mikie2times

But, but, but…we have been taken advantage of too long! Not that any value exists for the US in international peace or a thriving global economy. It now only matters what our trade deficit is with third world countries.

That’s just it. No end game, no definition of success. End game as far as I can tell is bring back more manufacturing jobs. Ok, at what cost? If every consumer in the US is paying more for basic goods and services, did it end up being worth the additional manufacturing jobs? A study was done on his first term round of terrors and it found washing machines and drying machines elevated in cost and they never went back down. That while jobs were created the average cost to Americans equaled 800k per created job. That isn’t winning.

Big news, we will still be at a trade deficit forever with these underdeveloped countries so I guess we are still losing right?

People are mad because they’re worried “it will work” and they don’t want all the glory going to Trump. If that wasn’t true they would have zero reasons to complain. These actions will cost MAGA the house, senate, and presidency. What you should be asking yourself is despite knowing that, why do liberals still care so much about what’s happening? Why wouldn’t they just let it crash and burn? Maybe it’s because we want to make sure something is even left.

Tariffs hit Wednesday at 4pm. China doesn’t even retaliate until Friday early. Market closes Friday at 4pm. Poll comes out Saturday morning. Not thinking it’s taking in all that much from this week, but who am I to judge.

Are you as passionate that it will work as the people who think it won’t? It sounds like you’re more in the “we have to try” camp.

Current justification If most people disagree with it, I like it more We have to try something Biden was awful It could work, you don't know You should have known better (Tariffs, being in the market, etc) I'm curious, do any of you actually think this is a good idea and will work? If it does, what does "working" look like to you? Is it elevated prices with increases manufacturing? Prices coming down eventually? Trade deficits being more equalized <= what does that mean for the average consumer? Does this have any end game? Do we just live in this state or do we revaluate, if so, how soon? I'm a bit tired hearing more jobs. The goal can't be as wide as a house or it will never be hit. Does this plan have any "plan" from your perspective or from the White Houses that is a little more specific on what success looks like?

Nike is going to come to the US, it's employees with join the teamsters. They will be paying 20x the labor costs. Costs will be passed to consumers. Sum of all costs past to consumers will be greater than income of jobs created.

We will use taxes to subsidize employment in less skilled and uneducated jobs. Ironically, sounds a bit like something Bernie would do.

It’s not like we don’t have priests from mega churches doing the same Union made Nikes 😂

Or maybe a few do, they join the union, and we make a part for 5x. We subsidize the uneducated with jobs because they didn’t want to go to school. What type of structure again redistributes wealth to the lower class? I forget what they call that?

The world has had plenty of independent thinkers who have come to horrible conclusions, many of which have been world leaders. Those decisions have had horrible consequences to the citizens of those countries. So no, that doesn’t give confidence in his decisions.

So that validates his decisions?

Your post assumes tariffs are a good idea. Most research showed it cost Americans over half a million dollars per job created with his washing machine tariffs. So it's a little more complicated than just suck it up. The left kicked the can down the road more because the current state of the economy is as fragile as it's been in over a decade and any solutions that don't severely impact our current quality of life (that don't involve taxing the F out of the most wealthy, which you won't let happen) are not very realistic. So my bad if it's a little unsettling to pivot from a somewhat justified extreme level of caution, to rip the the band aid off and let it bleed out. We have no undue button at this point and the notion that this current sacrifice will somehow lead to better and more fulfilling times is not an opinion shared by most economists or historians.

You aren’t really making a good case for “we should have known better”. The reality is if people believed this is what he was going to do he would not be president.

You said we "should have known" when Trump said he would use Tariffs, that we should believe him. I provided reasons why believing him is difficult. You responded with something sarcastic. I assume to defend his honesty. I gave you a policy that we know he doesn't support, but is just supporting for the sake of votes and asked you if he supports it? (example of a really big lie). You said you won't engage in deflecting.

You think he's pro life?

Even if you believed Tariffs won't result in permanently higher prices (as they have repeatedly throughout history)the way these were implemented are asinine. The vast majority of these countries are poor, making products that we will never make, and never will come close to purchasing goods the US is making. If you plan on building an empire in the US selling a product that somebody in Cambodia will buy, what the hell are you making? The fattest kid is not also going to be the one who sells the most food.

I know they're liberal sources, but by most accounts Trump will tell 15-20 lies per speech and told over 10,000 in his first term, which is one third of the reported total by these outlets. He focuses on the grand and exaggerated in all explanations. How is it possible to determine what he is actually being serious about? As an example you can't possibly believe the pro life? Yet, here we are.

It is comedy watching MAGA shift it's agenda to the latest talking points defending the tariffs Trump starts out with, the stock market will be booming and Americans will save money on day 1 Now its: -The stock market doesn't matter -Stop buying things -We have to sacrifice for our financial sins

This is where I’m at. We have no intention of making most this crap. It is inconceivable to think the United States will produce as many goods for some of these poor countries vs what we will consume from them. We give them some minimal quality of life with the exports we buy, our citizens get cheaper goods, what exactly are they supposed to be buying from us? If we have stuff to sell third world countries at the same rate we buy goods from them we have a serious problem in this country.

How can one think every breath that is taken is a conspiracy by the deep state. That everything said is lie. But poor little Isaiah thinks his Dads mill job is coming back to the US? This population is so easily manipulated yet simultaneously so paranoid and untrusting.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/the-1960s-chicken-tax-shows-the-lasting-impact-of-tariffs-aad04b6a If you want a fairly neutral look at historical tariff results take a look. This far and away the best video I have seen on this subject.

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You have two posts. Your name is JFKjr, you’re on a Buffalo Bills forum talking politics. We are MAGA.