Ethan in Cleveland

I can't bear to watch it. I've never rewatched any of the SuperBowl losses either.

Two Lombardi's will get him in, but I don't think he was a HOF talent. He just had HOF moments.

Eric Allen, CB — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Jared Allen, DE — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Willie Anderson, T — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Anquan Boldin, WR — 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Jahri Evans, G — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Antonio Gates, TE — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2024-25) James Harrison, LB — 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Rodney Harrison, S — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2021, 2023-25) Torry Holt, WR — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 11 – 2015-2025) Luke Kuechly, LB — 2012-19 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Eli Manning, QB — 2004-2019 New York Giants | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Robert Mathis, DE/LB — 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Smith Sr., WR — 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Terrell Suggs, LB/DE — 2003-2018 Baltimore Ravens, 2019 Arizona Cardinals, 2019 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Fred Taylor, RB — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Earl Thomas, DB — 2010-18 Seattle Seahawks, 2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Adam Vinatieri, PK — 1996-2005 New England Patriots, 2006-2019 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Hines Ward, WR — 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2017-2025) Ricky Watters, RB — 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2020, 2022-25) Reggie Wayne, WR — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Richmond Webb, T — 1990-2000 Miami Dolphins, 2001-02 Cincinnati Bengals | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Vince Wilfork, DT — 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Wisniewski, G — 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2014, 2025) Darren Woodson, S — 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2025) Marshal Yanda, G/T — 2007-2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Who would you induct? I would induct : Gates Wayne Suggs Vinatieri Wolfork I would not vote Eli in but he will be voted in almost assuredly.

Agree as I still worry about physical teams and I think 49ers still play a physical brand of football on defense - though I have not seen them play all year. Perhaps that is more perception than reality. McD is undefeated after a bye week and a ton of guys should be healthy. Would be nice to get 49ers at 1PM EST (10am PST), but I still think Bills win. Before beating the Chiefs I said the Bills really had not beaten a good team. Much the same can be said about the Lions. They have had as easy a schedule as the Bills have had with many common opponents. They did beat the Texans but that was also Josh's WTF game for the year. Lions speed is incredible but McD has shown that he can take that away.

I feel sad for you. To live out your days stuck in a world that no longer exists.

It is ... And of course you know two wrongs don't make a right

Its stupid and offensive

20+ times at least. There are a couple You tube's out there from fans. A sideline angle with the in reading crowd noise. then an end zone video from the opposite endzone. You can hear at least three people say C'mon Josh before and during the play!

Just a guess but I think they will go veteran FA and address Oline early and often in the draft.

Can't both things be true... Last year the media said he turned the ball over too much... This year he isn't and they are winning more...

Nah, if we win the SuperBowl we can trade him for ten first round picks!

I wasn't. I think some were probably just thinking we beat them in the regular season before. What matters is the playoffs, so a loss while not meaningless, doesn't mean much if they lose to them in the playoffs later.

Most of the talk on Cleveland radio is that The Browns will clean house with new GM and new HC. If I was Stefanski I would resign now. He lost the locker room when he was forced to play Watson and even after he was terrible kept saying he was the best option to win. His LT is already on record as saying he isnt playing injured as he needs to make a business decision. Garrett was checked out against the Saints.

Has he kicked outdoors yet?

Bills win SuperBowl then probably open the season on Thrusay at home against Baltimore or maybe the NFC East winner. Bills don't win SuperBowl then probably open on Thursday at Steelers.

Good no call. He was trying to knock the ball out at the goal line. Of course it is impossible to know intent, but in this case I'd give him teh benefit of doubt. Colts player not so much. That was deliberate 3 shots to the head.

100% agree!

2/5 of the Bills starting OL are free agent signings.

Knox tried to play with a bad wrist. He dropped a potential game win sealing pass from Josh against the Giants. Giants almost came back to win but refs bailed us out (that never happens according to this board). Knox was my favorite player after Allen. But the drops at the worst times were just too much. I thought he could be the next great TE in the league and be the first Bills TE in franchise history to make a ProBowl.

He won't. Team quit on him weeks ago.

I hope he can come back and play great. He was a legit All-Pro. It would be a massive boost and he is a perfect player for our community.

Gone will be Gilliam, Cooper, Miller, Jones, Douglas, Milano, Elam, and Morris. McGovern or Edwards could be the surprise cap casualties. I know people want to believe Milano can come back but he will be 30 years old in March. His game is built on speed not power. It will be a sad day but he like White will be cut due to injury. I'm not sure about Dawkins. He's still playing well. He has his good and bad moments. Probably not bad enough to move on from but also OT would seem like a need on day 2. Bills have nice depth on OL. They may decide to move on from either McGovern or Edwards to try and save some money and get the younger cheaper players on the field. WR is going to be tough. Cooper on a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option would be ideal. Bills will probably be out bid though. My guess is they look to the free agent market for a guy that is not a top 5 but is someone who maybe is in the 15-20 range. Look for Bills to extend at least three of the following Shakir, Benford, Rousseau, or Bernard. All are under contract for 2025 but my guess is they figure out a way to keep all four on the roster while extending three of them. I wouldn't even be shocked if they extended one of them this week. As for the draft, look for a heavy and this time needed investment in the defense. Look for them to take a DT, DE, CB in the first four rounds. The other pick will either be a WR or OT. In the late rounds, a Punter, developmental QB, a safety, and a LB makes sense.

Make no mistake about it, that was Allen and Torrence making a play. Spy makes no sense on fourth and 2. Give credit to McDermott for not kicking the FG there. He's learned his lesson. The only thing that stops Reid and Mahomes is Allen having the ball. Like Rex said, Allen has never lost to the Chiefs.

Yes if you can. Beane will have to get creative. If you sign all three of these, it may mean you let Rousseau and or Cooper go. Kincaid hasn't done enough to let Knox go just yet but a restructure makes sense for him. Let Von, Milano, and Douglas go. Maybe Dawkins too and that frees up some significant cap space. Of the three Shakir is probably easiest one to replace in draft or free agency. Bernard is the scariest. You could sign him to a big deal only for him to be injured often.

Our best chance at a SuperBowl was with Diggs and Davis on the field in KC. We all got fooled that Davis would be a great #2. Either way the game moves on. Shakir is a joy to watch play. Cooper already has two of the best catches of the season. Samuel if healthy could be a better version of McKenzie. Even Hollins is fun to watch because he brings passion. Hope Davis and Diggs heal up well. Diggs had an outside chance at HOF with a few more productive years. Probably not now.