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Thanks, I am aware of @Dont Stop Billeiving work and it is amazing for gathering info about prospects. I just meant some more simple spreadsheet with just list of players where can I easily mark who is taken and see who is not. I guess I will not be lazy and do my own afterall 😀

This seems like a good place to ask - is there a fellow TBDer who has his own draft board on some kind of spread sheet and is willing to share it (here or via PM)? There were some last year and for me it was very effective tool how to see who is left on the board. As for the draft itself, the only outcome I will not be happy with is if we reach for CB with 2nd round grade. Anything else is fine. Trade up, trade down, RB at 30, any project DE, speedy WR, any OL, any athletic freak on other positions. We will be picking around 6 am CET so I need to stay up whole night, so make it worthwhile Mr. Beane!

Well the thing is that if they want Fields they likely need to give up both first to do so.

So most fans here prefer some combination of DE, CB and WR in first three rounds and Chiefs fans comes here to mock us RB after trade up and DT, who is projected to be on board when Bills pick in 3rd round. Yeah makes total sense. That is amazing news unfortunately you just traded our 3rd round pick, so not sure how is that relevant.

Both Rousseau and Phillips won't be picked in the first round.

I don't think this deserves its own thread just to bash PFF, but still find it hilarious... so I found the most recent thread where PFF is mentioned and leave it here. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-rosters-ahead-of-the-2021-nfl-draft Bills are rated 5th in some kind of their offseason rankings. But there is a funny quote: "It’ll be interesting to monitor how much Allen regresses in 2021, but this team is again looking dangerous and should have no issues repeating as AFC East champions."

Amazing, thanks for posting.

Exercise is fine, result is not. I don't watch college but I've been hearing for three months on TBD how Shelvin is one of the candidates for 1TDT for our 3rd round pick. And somehow we just took him in second. Weird.

This looks like a solid list for our round 3 pick.

RB Travis Ettiene, Clemson WR Kadarius Toney, Florida WR Elijah Moore, Ole Miss WR Terrace Marshall, LSU OT Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma State OT Jalen Mayfield, Michigan OT Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame DE Jayson Oweh, Penn State DE Joseph Ossai, Texas LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa CB Tyson Campbell, Georgia CB Eric Stokes, Georgia

The Jags and @NewEra are on the clock!

So Ettiene, Toney, Marshall, Mayfield, Eichenberg, Jenkins, Collins, Ossai, Oweh, Campbell and Samuel/Stokes to the poll?

Shouldn't there be 10% more value from team trading up?

Yeah but the slide needs to end somewhere when a team decides that potential value is too big to pass. Jaylon Smith went 34. and he was considered top 5 pick before injury. Reuben Foster went 27 with huge red flags (which materialized pretty quickly). But I do agree with you and @HappyDays that it is like Catch XXII. But with every player like this there is a turning point and it might be our pick. If there is 70% chance that he is fine and plays like top 10 pick and 30% chance that we will not play a down in the NFL I'd pull the trigger on 30.

@Virgil Just a random question, is there any way how Bills could make this trade in this mock? I think an argument could be made (I am sure some people here would advocate it) that now is the time to jump Browns, Giants, Saints and Packers (who all might use a LB if I understand it correctly) and grab Owusu-Koramoah. I did not do maths but I guess 3rd round pick and some low round 2022 pick might do the trick. I am pretty sure some people would be ready to move up for other players too. I would not support it since I don't want to complicate things and also would like to see a poll without JOK its just a thought.

Gunner, as for the Bills, is this what do you think they should do if draft fell this way or what they would do? If the former, didn't you say you prefer Eichenberg for us?

Fully agree with both of you and I wrote it couple of times here already. No need to overreact to AFCCG and try to reshape things just to beat Chiefs. We were 15-4 team overall so no need to panic. Just add some more pieces in FA and draft BPA. I for one hope for one speed guy in offense (WR or RB), one OL (you need to draft OL in top 3 rounds at least every other year) and either DE or CB with our first three picks. Then some big guy as DT in fifth. And I think it is apparent that our FO sees it same way (no need to panic part).

They have interesting mock on Jetnation, where all players generally deemed as first rounders were actually taken before our pick - unlike first mock here on TBD, where JOK and Phillips remained on the board. That means CBs Farley, Horn, Newsome, DEs Paye, Rousseau, Phillips, Ojulari, S Moehrig, RB Harris, WR Toney, LBs Collins and JOK, OL Jenkins, Vera-Tucker are not on the board. Who do you take in this scenario? I know that you don't like other CBs, other DEs, consider it high for guards and RTs in general, don't like first round RBs, don't like Freiermuth that high. So one of OTs? Mayfield or Eichenberg? Or Barmore (can he play next to Oliver?)? Reach for CB Campbell?

Which weekend did you have in mind? Sry to be pain in the ass. Whenever you have time man. I just had tough day in work and I missed some positive distraction.

Denver?

I disagree with the first sentence. It was obiously part of the reason. But there was a big narrative after the game how there is a big gap between teams when it comes to speed. I don't think that was most important factor why we lost. We were 15-3 team at that point and were good enough to compete with Chiefs. But they were better prepared mentally and better coached. Hill had 171 yards (his season average was 85) and together with Kelce they had 289. That's just silly. That game made it look like that we lose 10 out of 10 games against them. I do not think that is the case. It should be more like 6/4 in their favor, but we need to gameplan better and execute better. And I think offseason proves that McBeane actually think the same thing. I know Beane talked a lot about speed in his final press conference, but we did not see it in FA. Like at all (maybe except Breida). They basically brought everybody back. I think that they realized that the "gap" is smalled than it seemed to be and that they can win with current team, they just need to gameplan better. Everybody said that we sucked at covering TEs yet the biggest contract they handed over in offseason was to Milano, who many blame for not covering Kelce. In other words, I do think that offseason proves that they mostly blame themselves for AFCCG game, not roster. Which I think is correct and it also says a lot about McDermott (in a good way). Which obviously does not mean that you are not correct and they will not try to add speed in the draft. I think they will.

Missing link vs the Chiefs was coaching and mentality.

No sure why people say this. This is a depth signing and it has nothing to do with draft. If we draft OL early, guys like Dougles will be just cut.

I find it amusing how after seeing hundreds mocks this year every once in a while someone mocks quite high some guy I've never heard of. This time it is Tutu Atwell, WRs, Lousville. I don't remember seeing his name before and boom - pick 33.

Virgil you're the man! Thanks for doing this. Helps to survive time until actual draft.