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So who are the other four? OL Simmons, WR Gentry, DT Joseph, CB Ingram?

I really like Hodgins and hope he makes the team and contributes. But I came to say other thing. I am rewatching 4th quarter since I didn't have a chance to watch it yesterday, and man, Luke Tenuta as LT is brutal on that Hodgins 27y circus catch. He didn't even slow down his rusher. Its amazing that Barkley managed to throw that ball. Go and look.

I had said it after I saw his first interview: this guy is my favorite Bill. I hope he will be as good as he seems.

I'm surprised by the number of Keenum sucks overreactions. He had a bad game for sure. But he has accomplished so much more in NFL than Matt Barkley that its not even a comparison. Saying that Barkley deserves to be QB2 after one preseason game (where Barkley played against lesser players) is weird to say the least.

Details are on the Sportrac already: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/reggie-gilliam-47904/ Looks like 2y/$4.6M deal with $1M signing bonus. There are probably some incentives built in.

WTF are you two talking about? Don't you understand that headline mentiones 5.2M which surely means Beane just paid 5.2M in cash to Gilliam and we need to overreact immediately?

Too soon to judge. But I share your optimism, I always do.

I updated the chart after some roster moves and start of the training camp. I didn't follow all camp notes so if you think I am substantially wrong let me know There are 53 players over the grey line - my current random guess who makes the roster.

This means that Bills won't pick 32 again. This franchise is cursed!

@NewEra

Why does Elam scare you? I am not following everything but I thought he was getting tested a lot by Diggs which is a great thing. He presumably loses more than he wins but that's fine for the time being against one of the very best, isn't it?

Lol I thought the same exact thing. Had to Google that it was Cam Lewis.

We don't know yet. But I guess he will since Sweeney looks like fringe NFL player.

This gets mentioned often but I don't get it at all. So Brady earning $20M+ (or whatever) doesn't need to chase every penny but any other QB has to since their wives do not make $40M? In what world isn't $100M+ or whatever these QBs made (or $300M+ these young guys will make) not enough for generations of their families?

Interesting thread. I am only a fan since 2016 so it forced me to read about some past Bills players I knew a little or nothing about. Takeo Spikes for example holds a record of playing in 219 regular season games without a playoff appearence. Not the best record to hold I guess Anyway, I took a time to count votes in this thread and this is what top 10 looks like: 1. Jason Peters - 26 votes 2. Fred Jackson - 21 3. Mario Williams - 20 4. Takeo Spikes - 16 5. Eric Moulds - 15 6. Marshawn Lynch - 13 7. Aaron Schobel - 12 8. Nate Clements - 10 9. Kyle Williams - 9 10. Antoine Winfield - 8 11. Ruben Brown - 8 There were couple of players whose eligibility was questioned. I guess it depends on exact question/definition. However, it is clear that Moulds and Brown would be slightly higher if more people found them eligible. Others with 5 or more votes: 7 - Moorman, McGee 6 - Fletcher, Pat Williams 5 - Dareus, Gilmore Sometimes it was not 100% clear how people are voting so there could be some minor deviations

Which Williams?

I think it was pretty clear from his own video that we overpaid to get him. His agent said something like Bills offered more than they even expected. Nothing wrong with that since we are talking about Von Miller. He just needs to produce next three years and help us win a Lombardi. And it's really not a surprise that other teams were interested and that he talked to other teams.

Not arguing with you but wasn't Hopkins suspended for 6 games for PEDs this season? And he is a top 3 WR.

The funniest thing about this is that it is not even a hype. If that is the best thing what both the coach and Hill can say about Tua, then they are actually saying that he sucks.

We can't and we are not. That is not a matter of opinion, those are league rules. Formally we have roughly $5M cap space available, which is effectively zero cap space - once 52nd and 53rd player ($1,7M - $1,8M) and whole practice squad ($3,2M - $3,5M) get accounted for. Where did you get that number? Sportrac has it at $10M right now - increase from $208M to $218M. There are articles around the internet stating that it might be $220M - $225M next year, but I didn't see higher number. So we are probably looking at $17M increase max.

Not sure where did you take those 41 players from. To me Sportrac shows 62 players with 2023 contracts (58 if you deduct 4 with void year who do not have actual contracts). But the way I see it is that you need to take out all players who will not be on 2022 roster and count only those who will be. We don't know for sure which players exactly, but we have quite a good idea and for this exercise you do not need to know exactly if we keep Stevenson or Hodgins. So when I keep only real NFL players on the list I think we have around 33-35 players under contract with with cap space being around zero. However, Sportrac counts with $218M cap space, and there are other speculations that it could be as high as $225M. That would be great and give us much more room.

We have about $5M right now, which means that effectively we are about zero. Actual cap space is top51, whereas final cap space will be for full 53 man roster, which means about $1,7M - 1,8M more ($800 - $900k for each player). Plus all PS players count towards the cap, which is slighly over $3M. Cutting player will not save any money unless we cut Ford or Matakevich, and even these two don't save too much. So my guess is that we make one more restructure to make about $5M savings for in season purposes (White or Dawkins). Or maybe we extend Poyer, but I doubt that since I don't think we can afford him next year. This is not accurate. This is what Sportrac shows for the 2023 season, but it counts many players who will not be on 2022 roster. Once the season starts and all these players are cut, we will have about 33-35 players under contract for 2023 season with about zero cap space. So we are not in the hole, but very close to it Where did you get this number? Players currently under the line have $920k and $903k cap hits, and I unless we keep any UDFA there won't be anyone on the roster with less than $750k cap hit.

Very well put. People often say that everything can be solved by a simple restructure. While true, it has consequences. That is why we have already about zero cap space next year with about 34 players signed.

Ok. But I think that even if everything you mention happens the obvious solution will be keeping 7 WRs. We kept 7 last year once Stevenson got back from IR - he basically took Zimmer's spot and we won't keep 11 DL like last year. Therefore I don't think that you scenario is an option. Like I said above, we are not keeping 6 WRs if it meant cutting Crowder. Agree to disagree I guess.

I am surprised by the credit given to Patriots in this thread. I think last year they were running over EV (much like we were running under EV) and they got even weaker this year. Roster-wise they are 6-11 team. Maybe Belichick can make 8-9 out of them but that is their ceiling. If Wilson takes a step this year Pats will finish last in the division. Bills 12-5 to 13-4 Dolphins 9-8 to 12-5 Jets 6-11 to 9-8 Pats 5-12 to 8-9