The Red King

It's a loaded question. Way too early to tell if Allen is the guy. I like what I see, but he needs more time in the oven. He's difficult to evaluate because his line is a sieve and his receiving corp a hot mess that can't catch balls that hit their hands. We need serious help on the o-line and wideouts. Too many needs to waste a pick on another QB. Let's surround Allen with actual NFL calibur talent next season, then see if he's the guy. It's obvious he's struggling to win with the Bad News Bears out there.

Allen is running as much as he is because we have a turnstyle for an offensive line. Can't be a pocket passer without a pocket.

Right now, Barkley's on top of the world, having mauled the Jets. You bring him out again, should he do poorly, you'll have taken that from him. Do you really want to risk tarnishing his great performance? Do you want to do that to him, you monster?!? ...oh, and yeah, also a bad idea for all the reasons already cited here. ?

If the Chiefs actually bite, it's a blessing for KB who will have a chance to actually put in effort, play his hardest, and try and use this last handful of games to bait the Chiefs (or another team) into a long-term signing. If this happens we'll get to find out how much of this was a declining KB, and how much was a don't give a damn KB.

When KB was asked why Holmes got a new job before him, Kelvin appeared to have a reply ready. He opened his mouth, but then decided speaking took too much effort and just gave up on it. ?

Did you miss the T.O. thread awhile back? XD

We knew this year was going to be a rebuilding year. Hell, Allen was supposed to ride the pine all year. I don't know how you can look at the Bills' defense lately, and the performance Allen just had, and not be encouraged for next season. Just need to upgrade the o-line and get this kid some weapons!

Skill players? ?

Bills have a solid, explosive defense. On the other side of the ball you have Allen hurdling players. Good...bad...that wasn't the question. They're not boring to watch, at least. Raiders are a tire fire with Gruden...entertaining. Browns were boring until the coaching change. Cards...I mean there's the difference. Regardless of record, Josh Allen is electric and fun to watch. His name's getting thrown around and he's getting talked about. ...how mamy headlines is Rosen making? So yeah, I think I could say the Cards are the most boring (right) now.

Makes sense. And yeah, been trying to purge that game from my mind for awhile now, to no avail. ?

Didn't the Bills lose @ NE during a Week 1 MNF game the season after Brady got hurt? If I recall, both teams were in throwbacks, Pats in red, Bills in white? I think?

Vegas sees us as unpredictable. Their thinking is, even when we win it had to be a fluke. In their eyes we're not a 4-7 team. Most betters agree.

I like numbers. Let's see...how many points did Tyrod put up against JAX in the playoff game? And how many did Allen put up on them today?

No. You have to realize the people who cried to the heavens that Allen is already a bust are dug in. No matter how good Allen plays, there will be something to critisize because they certainly aren't going to admit they might be *gasp* wrong! Hell, Allen could run the table and win the Super Bowl, and these guys will just state that other QBs could have done it better, it was all the D, and he's still awful.

...and Josh Allen doubles down on not giving a crap about what was said.

This is what I was trying to say. You said it far better. Sit the rest of the game, say goodbye to the team an leave with dignity. Nobody here would have batted an eyelash.

Did you actually read the side note you quoted?

I don't care how bad your team is, there is no excuse for not trying. Just ask Archie Manning. As for KB, that flushing noise you hear is the future money he's flushing away by mailing it in this season. He's in for a rude awakening, and it will be all on him.

Out of all this...I really hope they fix the pipe. Likely the only thing they can fix at this point...

You finish the game. Even if you finish it on the bench, you finish the game then retire. If he did that, then retired citing decline in ability, people here would have been fine. Hell, we all saw the decline in performance. It was the whole "can't be bothered to even finish the game" that was a slap in the face. Side note...not everyone agrees with what Bell did, either. You sign a contract, you play the damn contract. That it's somehow possible to avoid playing a contract you signed baffles me.

...because some people want to turn every thread into a 'Bash Allen' thread. Sad but true. If we start Barkley, the entire Patriots roster will come down with scurvy, world hunger will be solved and the common cold will be cured. If Allen starts a gate to the underworld will open at midfield, there will be a pox upon the land and every firstborn child will suffer a crippling injury. Listen to some people here the game will be 100-0. Which team gets 100 depends on which QB starts. ?

Bills: "Man, we are a mess right now, the laughingstock of the league." Browns: "Hold my beer."

As I said before, the people who are clamoring for Barkly to start are people who have already declared Allen is a bust. They want to see if Barkly can be our starter, or if we'll have to draft another QB. To them any more time given to Allen is a waste. Don't believe me? Go re-read the thread and you'll see it time and again.

Did he get credit for that win? Not sure what the score was when he got knocked out...

You have to read between the lines with posts like this. Most of the people saying start Barkly are also people that have already decided Allen is a bust. In their eyes starting Allen is pointless because he will never be our future QB. And since he won't be, in their eyes it's about evaluating Barkly to see if he'll be our starter, or if we'll need to draft another QB. Arguments about developing and/or evaluating Allen fall on deaf ears because they've already written him off. That's why you have threads like this.