The Red King

At what point was I angry? But thank you for demonstrating the mindset of "...if you criticize a black QB, you must be racist...". Which is, most ironically, a very racist thing to do.

You...missed the entire point of my post. It was regarding how people are too quick to play the race card these days, and the idea of true racism verses legitimate criticism of a QB that just happens to be black.

Tyrod playing the race card was sad. Got an eye-roll out of me, nothing more. Racism tends to be easy to spot. I have a relative that's racist and hated Tyrod from the start. Was plain to see though, all the comments were about black QBs never amounting to anything (ignoring players like Warren Moon), rather then any comment about his actual performance. The members here who make actual arguments against Tyrod, listing things such as his habit of checking down to quickly, or running a terrible two-minute drill are likely not racist. They simply don't like the performance they see, and would say the same if the QB had white, yellow, red or plaid skin. Racism is awful and sadly still exists in the world. But there seems to be a large spike in the number of racism claims made, with less and less evidence to support them. That only makes matters worse. Every comment like Tyrod's makes it harder for people to take legitimate claims seriously.

Same, sadly. I was firmly in support of starting Allen, even behind a meh offensive line. Let him learn, let him get his lumps. I didn't buy into the whole "poor line play and pressure will ruin him" argument. But honestly, this line went beyond meh, and will get him killed. Allen is a rookie, and behind a decent or even meh line I still say start him. But he can't learn under conditions like yesterday. The game with starters is a lot faster, Allen himself admitted it. Start Nate, let Allen learn a little on the sideline. When the offensive line shows it can provide at least decent protection, put the kid in. And yes, that sentence was hard to type. I dislike the idea that our offensive line is actually going to stunt/delay Allen's development. From what I've seen, he's ready to at least start and go through his growing pains. But that line is abysmal. Peterman has a little experience and can get the ball out quicker. Behind this sad mockery of an o-line, that will be almost mandatory. Allen cannot learn behind, and may not even survive behind a line that looked like this...

Name one member that actually said this. I'll go make breakfast while you try and find one.

When you call a team that went 9-7 and made the playoffs "...nothing but losers..." it's near impossible to take you seriously. Or, to quote Buddy..."He's an angry elf." ?

I think we have cap room for the stop sign and bananna peel...

You're declaring Allen a bust already. I'd hope you're frowning...unless you're happy he's a (in your eyes) bust.

Strangely, my optimistic nature allowed me to quite enjoy sitting in the stands next to my dad during The Comeback. I feel sorry for eternal pessimists, perpetual hopeless can be soul-crushing. I'll keep smiling, you keep frowning...and see who's enjoying their day more. ^.^

Knew losing Woods and Richie was going to hurt. Didn't think it would be this bad. Wonder how today would have looked with them.

...and here I thought they made they playoffs. Silly me, must have been the kool-aid. ?

Worked well enough last season...

Rookie QB in his first start behind an O-Line now christened "The Red Carpet" struggles the half he plays? Yes, he is quite obviously a bust, cut him now, fire McBeane... ?

This speaks volumes...

Yes, because our pass rush is doing swimmingly without him right now.

So, from what I gather, the O-Line should be nicknamed "The Red Carpet", and as such it's impossible to evaluate Allen behind it?

For those looking to stream it, supposed to be able to watch it from buffalobills.com/livepreseason An official link provided awhile back on a TBD post. I used it for the Panthers game, but it's not giving me a stream yet for this game.

I never said there was a good or bad place for it. Just that a tournament isn't your usual venue for this type of a tragedy, that's all.

I think the preseason games are streamed at http://www.nfl.com/labs/clubs/stream/dev?club=buf ...got that from a thread at TBD before the Carolina game.

Thanks, actually couldn't bring myself to listen. Truly a horrible situation.

Why at a Madden tournament?

Really? Well drat... ?

I'm curious to see how Shady plays. He's used to running into brick walls as defenses stacked the box against Tyrod, Peterman and McCarron. Last week when Allen came in, the Browns were forced to ease up and cover a lot more of the field out of respect for his arm. It'll be interesting to see if that opens up things for McCoy.

Oh please, oh please, oh please...

That was mentioned earlier in the thread. Gruden loves Peterman. This might all be waiting on Sunday's game. If Allen plays well and secures the starting role, the very trade you suggest might go through.