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I distinctly remember I was convinced we were going to have a potent top 5 NFL offense for years to come at the beginning of that year. Boy Chan Gailey really did his best to polish those turds.

I'm partial to Marshall Faulk's myself. FWIW he always gave Thurman Thomas props for being the RB he most tried to emulate. He was so dang smart and had great vision. His screen passes were like cheat plays. I don't know if Faulk belongs with Barry and them but I like my cerebral RBs. Faulk and Thurman made their offenses tick.

Dude.. beating the Packers was a massive upset! Half the country is Packers fans.

Maybe i'm just thinking of Jermaine Gresham and early Ebron recently, but TEs seem to bust more than other positions in the first round. Like OJ Howard just doesn't seem to be getting the production his high draft pick warranted and I'd argue he's what you'd reasonably expect from some of the better TEs. Like the better TEs don't have much more production than the average TE, the difference for other positions to stand out as the best in the league is a lot higher production.

Anybody remember when Roger Staubach got booed in Dallas when the Cowboys made their pick thinking "Roger -" initially meant Roger Goodell? It was awesome. Cowboys fans booed Roger Staubach Pegula going for Brownie points I guess. I didn't know your mayor was so unpopular.

I'd imagine the play needs to be reversed with reasonable doubt which would be especially stringent on OPI. JMO If I were mandating the league I'd allow it, but be much more stringent on contact rules.. particularly offensively. I think reviews should simply be for obvious.. flagrant fouls like the Saints Rams game, otherwise let the play stand. Penalty has to be just completely obvious and have a severe affect on the play But seeing how the league and these high stakes games have few as momentus after the Saints call. One of the worst in memory, it should be an officiating issue, not a challenge

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Has Johnny Football suited up yet?

A Patriots fan told me he was jealous the Bills were set for the next decade with a franchise QB in "rookie Bills QB" Tyrod Taylor while Tom Brady was getting old. Complete sincerity. Dude was an idiot.

He eats the interior OL as well as his fellow 3T DT. He's so good he nullifies all 5 players from doing anything in the game.

That your onside kick success rates includes surprise kicks. Which are 60% successful. If we are talking about a known onside kick situation, it's not 25%. It's much less. That 25% is weighted by surprise kicks.. such as Colts Saints SB. That kick is.. guess what.. an onside kick, just one of many surprise onside kicks factored into your number. Please remove them. We want to compare known onside kick situations with 4th and 15 situations. Because.. and here's the catch.. you know the other team has to get a first down. Just like you know the other team needs an onside kick. Known onside kicks aren't 25%. Most of the successful onside kicks are surprise onside kicks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onside_kick http://www.slate.com/id/2280272/pagenum/all "An onside kick is considered successful if the kicking team regains the ball. Between 2001 and 2010, surprise onside kicks were successful 60% of the time, while expected onside kicks were successful less than 20% of the time." it's historically far less than 25%. It's 6% since kickoff rule changes. Now remember: this number has surprise onside kicks removed!

Buddy you know I know you're yanking my chain. You said the onside kick was 25% successful I told you to take out the surprise kicks and you asked what a surprised onside kick was to which I gave you one.. and now you are proceeding to say this has nothing to do with our conversation. Onside kicks are less successful when the team knows about it. So when it's an obvious kick situation it's about the same as a 4th and 15.. which is thus how they chose the yardage. As to your hatred of 4th and 15 plays. It's weird man. It's a very weird thing to find ugly. It's just a football down you see all the time. Full of miraculous catches and heart crushing incompletions. Do you specifically hate the down and distance? Which one more? The 4th? The 15 yards? Because it sounds like you hate a normal football play to gain a necessary amount of yards

What I didn't like was the fact that Star was a cornerstone in McDermott's defense before he leaves. Becomes a sub 50% player at Carolina. And is still one back with McDermott. McDermott played him a lot more a few years back. Did he think he was signing the same player? I have to think so.. and why isn't he playing as much as he did in Carolina if McDermott is so happy

Yeah we're clearly paying too much money for a sub 50% snap count. You guys got so caught up in the snap count trend.. it got debunked. Whatever. It's not a good signing. And we knew he was sub 50% at Carolina. But it doesn't put us in a bind. It hamstrung us from signing offensive players last year which sucked. But AFAIK it's a pretty front loaded contract and flexible. I just never did and still don't get the point. We still need a better DT. Could be through the draft soon. A guy that can do what Star does and more. Carolina thought so too. A good team just has no room to Shell out that much money for so little.

It sounded like that's how you were using his point but I'll need to get caught up with the argument. And yeah.. calling foul with logical fallacies is overplayed.. certainly on a message board. Yelling straw man or ad hominem is also obnoxious. My bad haha just couldn't think another way to phrase what I was saying.

I found a better argument to run with dude this one is all-time stupid. I'll table this for later but if you really love onside kicks and it's ties to 1920s football you might be better off being a rugby fan bud.

I find it obnoxious to ignore an assertion that cites various half researched facts because someone spent mind numbing time to find something so minute like Star's snap count. Just because he stated what he thought he saw watching every Bills game and may have been wrong on that supporting argument doesn't change his assertion and all the other points he supported it worth. He's telling you what he saw and noticed watching football. And for all we know Star played garbage time to inflate those snap counts. It ultimately doesn't matter. It's a single point that he may have missed on. That point is simply one of many supporting points that doesn't necessarily make him wrong on his overall point. It's ad hominem, getting something minute wrong doesn't discredit his argument I'm team Tasker'sGhost on this argument boys this looks fun.

Kicks and punts are the last vestiges of whatever primordial sports ooze involving advancing a ball to some designated area evolved over centuries into American football, rugby and soccer

This is fun. Debating over the onside kick. Let's spend time on this. Saints vs Colts SB was a surprise.. they happen plenty of times. You just kick it when you don't necessarily need to. Cause your team's ready for it and the other team is not. Kind of like a fake punt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onside_kick http://www.slate.com/id/2280272/pagenum/all "An onside kick is considered successful if the kicking team regains the ball. Between 2001 and 2010, surprise onside kicks were successful 60% of the time, while expected onside kicks were successful less than 20% of the time." I literally just watched and linked a 20 minute video about kickoffs. Just go watch it. And yes. It's probably ugly precisely because it's from the 1920s. That's why football looks completely different. People once considered the onside kick to be a more effective way to advance the ball than the forward pass... I don't even want to know what football looked like back then knowing that tidbit. But if you find it to be a pretty play more power to you!

I think Jon Bois, and I agree, are just saying it's a stupid looking play. It's an oblong ball shaped to fly through the air being used in an archaic NFL kickoff rule stating that you can recover a ball over 10 yards away. So you purposefully kick the ball like crap for just over 10 yards towards like 16 dudes crashing towards a ball that doesn't roll right. But anyways, I think a lot of those successful onside kicks are made up by surprise onside kicks that have pretty good odds, as opposed to desperation onside kicks teams have to make to mathematically win. Removing those I think maybe the success got halved, closer towards your 13%.. the ChartParty video covers all of this. Heck, I'd say allow 4th and 10 instead of 4th and 15. Make it even more probably.

I'm not sure I would have traded our 1 to Oakland for Amari like Dallas did. But his character and talent is what made him as high priced and comparable to ODBJ's deal. Definitely would have given up a 2. Let's draft our dude ? Good odds between a high grade pick and Robert Foster we get an all around WR1 when the 2 get some more years under their belt. And appreciate a good WR corps helps Josh Allen. They don't make the other's careers. They make their own working with each other. It's pitch and catch, takes 2 to do it. But I don't want to keep hearing the "JA's WRs suck (during the regular season), but we don't need WRs (in off-season)" narrative

Well broadly speaking.. Of course we don't want negative characters. Depends on how you define them. There's maybe 2 or 3 that are talented but could be a liability for me. I've heard it all from DHop to Amari Cooper: the board is pretty darn liberal with the "diva" label. It's natural for a good WR to pipe up every now and then to see more targets.. play Madden career mode as a WR. It's a boring position if you don't get 20 targets a game. I'd be the most diva of them all haha. Like if all the great active WRs that haven't been labelled "divas" on here are just Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones.. we need to temper our expectations of talented #1 WRs lol. They want to win, and they know getting the ball more helps that, and they'll pipe up now and then. That's not AB or ODBJ bad.. that's just natural. Gotta stop making it so black and white is all. Playmakers that want to see the ball isn't necessarily a bad teammate by that strict definition. Sammy Watkins isn't so bad at all in that sense. He just couldn't stay healthy and wasn't as productive as his salary demands.

He's totally right haha. In the offseason we thumb our noses at "diva WRs" and say we don't need them. The Quarterback made them. Yet the second Josh Allen's performance is affected by poor WR play we'll be placing the blame on WR every chance we get and complaining "look at the kinds of catches other WRs can make in this league!" And the circle of life thus continues at TSW. In a black and white world where Quarterbacks make WRs.. until they don't and it's the WRs ruining the QB. So.. that's a bummer of a post. Here's to having good WR play next year!

lol. I like this guy's confidence. Let's get him. And not pay him 100mil let's just ride out his rookie contract and give him a fair offer. It's confidence. He'll play his *** off to back it up. Plus its 5 years down the road. He's just showing you he has an incentive to earn it. Do whatever you want when his contract is up.

Definitely the Miami game. The ending had all the drama and effort and heartbreak that made me feel like I was watching Josh Allen in the AFC Championship. And that throw to Charles Clay showed off his howitzer. I didn't think he could get that ball close the Clay rolling left, stopping and throwing with no forward momentum and defenders rushing into him. It was awesome. I know non-quarterback plays from quarterbacks are awesome and really cool and inspire the teammates around them to sack up and play football like their quarterback.. but that scenario carries a lot more weight when your quarterback is actually a good quarterback as well doing crazy non-quarterback plays.. like John Elway's helicopter dive in the SB. Sage Rosenfels imitated it. His teammates thought he was an idiot haha. yep. When Sage Rosenfels helicopter dives for a first down, his teammates and sports center laugh at him for it for the rest of the season. When John Elway does it in the SB, it's like one of the most iconic plays in NFL History. Leaders have to still be really good.