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complete conjecture. How about deep balls sometimes require a WR to adjust. Which he can do because he has a lot of air time on the pass. Although actually that has to be true haha I just described a 100 square foot target that "most deep completions" fall in. If you miss that big a target it's a god awful throw.

Battle's declaring for the draft. Huge loss for Orange. I don't know if that's such a bad decision for Battle. He'll at least get a shot if undrafted. I see him mocked in the 2nd occasionally. Syracuse doesn't look like it's going to change Battle's profile with any better of a team, and Battle himself has plateaued, really marginal improvement. He's not going to be some Buddy Hield story. I figure go get your money if you have an outside shot with little chance of improving draft stock by staying. I'd think otherwise about it if he didn't look like the exact same player Sophomore year to Junior year.

I'm not complaining at all. I think it's fun. Makes March Madness all the more crazy. It's a silly concept to determine the champion and that's what's made it so popular.

Petermania claimed a lot of victims. It made me upset. But I've forgiven them. There were so many. Their crime has passed the statute of limitations. I have accepted Petermaniacs back into the fold as rational humans. We can only hope they've learned.

Yeah the bet was nixed after my "no playoffs for 10 years" clause kicked in but by then I developed into a masochist and was hooked by the pain.

I'm sure a piece of evidence was Irsay sending out a mass email to all the other owners to see what their Coke dealer was charging them for an 8 ball he was jonesing for. Topping it off with a joke about how his 8 ball was worth more that than "paying for that Kaep character". Not a smoking gun but TMI for the NFL to let loose to the public. TMI. "SETTLE NOOOOW"

Whaley was the closest thing to a Madden GM I've seen other than perhaps this Rams GM. "Cool this 84 overall left guard is still available!" //sign him no questions asked. And he built the only competitive online Madden Bills team in Madden 15 provided you customize Rex Ryan's defense away from a 3-4 so you can get Kyle Williams and Dareus on the field at the same time.

I don't see much evidence proving Josh Allen is super accurate, or significantly more accurate than we presumably thought, from the OP. It just appears to be an attempt to make a team stat into more of an individual stat by removing a few team variables. The quarterbacks all have less variance after the conversion, and Josh Allen is moved up from last in completion % to 5th just above Watson and Rosen in true % (or whatever it's called). So if variance is reduced, the distance between everyone is basically doubled in importance.. and the conclusion is to say JA had a better individual completion rate than Watson, worse than Jackson, Baker, and Darnold (who has an absurd flip). It's interesting, I'd like to see what a lot more quarterbacks look like relative to these numbers. I'd like to see more established quarterback's rookie numbers and how they compare to their rookie years several years later. How Darnold's high number might compare to recognized established quarterbacks. Is his number good? Is it average? Is Rosen's number bad? But anyway I don't see what's supposed to be radically different concerning JA here. I'd assume if we had this number for every Quarterback in the league it would range from 75% to 90%. I don't think he's terribly accurate compared to other top 15 quarterbacks. But I don't really care as my takeaway this season is he can make impossible throws, is a great runner, is aggressive yet relatively takes care of the ball, and has improved every game, every quarter. He especially seemed to perform better late in close games. I loved what I saw. Certain Quarterbacks can be very successful with limited accuracy, and JA seems to have the ability to be one of those guys.. as well as improving on accuracy regardless like all rookies do.

wow. Did NOT know about Jim Brown's legal issues. I'm learning a lot from this thread.

yeah help us out on OL, we don't have many to fill out the group that's blocking for the Juice.

ooh nice one. Kellen II was super productive and.. gets into trouble. We can run 2 TE sets with him and Aaron Hernandez

I appreciate anyone who goes into this thread with the balls to give a dissenting opinion lol. Especially in this thread, you're throwing yourself to the wolves to add some variety to the conversation.

well imagine if you have a 10 year old wide open in the endzone on a clock-hit-zero, game winning playoff drive. You lob a careful ball.. underhand.. to the breadbasket and pray the kid catches it. Josh Allen throws a bullet at the kid and probably impales it in him for a completion anyway. But he really shouldn't do that given the circumstances. That 10 year old is Charles Clay open on a crossing route haha. I'm being a bit facetious about touch to receivers on short to medium routes. There is a time and place to take some heat off the ball just fit arc a throw correctly to the runner. But for the most part, we should just get guys that can catch these balls in stride. I want to see more touch on deep throws. Josh Allen really just made it harder on himself when he'd throw such a low arcing bullet to his man open deep. I recall one very specifically where he missed Foster by a hair.. and Foster really could have come down with it if he pulled out an extraordinary diving catch. It was a fantastic throw considering he could throw it that deep and so hard while getting still getting it just in front of Foster. But I never see deep balls like that. Foster has his man beat.. what's the hurry to get the ball to him in that situation? I see quarterbacks, most comedically Phillip Rivers, arc the ball much higher when they have a man beat deep in the field. They can lob it to a very large radius so that the WR can adjust. Makes it easier on the WR as well, to catch and keep running. Foster would have had to make an acrobatic catch and fall when that could have been a touchdown thrown with touch. JA is throwing to the center of a dart board from 40 yards out. Most deep ball completions are thrown anywhere 10-15 yards ahead of the WR, and 10 yards in either direction laterally.

Yep it's everything in football that leads to a throw being caught. Accuracy is included in all that. I think it gets associated with accuracy for people when taking a quarterback's career completion. Over a large sample size a ton of these things change up and down. On aggregate it becomes a wash. The only constant is the thrower after say 240 games. Over a single season I don't think accuracy should be credited as much for completion %. Over a career I do think it becomes a more individual stat, making accuracy, touch, throw power, reading defenses the primary drivers.

well... yep you nailed it: it's most everything, including poor WRs, poor protection, and.. I guess preseason reps for you. I'm saying it's tons of variables lumped into a pretty simple metric. So it just need to be considered in context.. as you've written as much. I'm not saying it's everything that defines a quarterback. It's everything that determines if a ball gets thrown and caught. Which is a good thing. You want that to happen a lot. It also shows quarterback's touch, IQ, reading the field, accuracy, throw power. In needs to be viewed not in a vacuum, but in context with YPC, drops, all that. It's so many factors lumped into one thing. That's ultimately what you're saying anyway. But it's important to have a good completion %. It's a telling stat, regardless of what determines it, it's ultimately a good metric a team wants to improve on. Not something to be dismissed because you don't like the criticism. if you want it to be more a team stat then so be it. It certainly is. The degree to which completion % is individual or team can be reasonably interpreted differently. Your work essentially is an attempt to convert it into an individual stat. And out of 7 guys, the rankings roughly follow completion % anyway. Variance is significantly reduced after your conversion, so without seeing how more quarterbacks would get converted, it appears the individual conversion of the stat puts all quarterbacks closer together (makes sense). I was simply giving you an example where Baker makes a throw that more often gets completed than JA would. JA has throws that Baker can't make. They both put a tiny dent in your completion %. It's literally everything that indicates how many throws get caught. This is completion %.

While staring down the barrel of Gonzaga. Without reseeding. Seeds in the tournament have a funny impact. I saw an SB Nation chart explaining how 10s have more wins than 8s, and why the level of the difficulty between the 2 is just about even if not in the 10s favor. I think 5s are the anomaly that is far less successful than 1-4,6

I'm not saying it is. I think it still tells another story of QB ability. I get the premise of the thread. I still think completion percentage means something. The stat lumps a lot of things outside the Quarterback's power, sure, but it's still an important information in tandem with other QB stats. I'm not going to dismiss it as not important. At the end of the day it's highly correlated with moving the chains. I want to move the chains

I get that argument but you still have to weigh the accomplishments against the surrounding talent. Baker broke the rookie TD record in less games. I'd still prefer to have him now. I think most any team wants him at his potential behind Pat Mahomes. Of course I like Allen as the second best Quarterback in my eyes.. as of now. But the post nailed it with touch. Completion % encapsulates everything really and having the IQ and touch not to throw a bullet to Clay on a crossing route is something Baker showed that JA didn't. Dude's got to improve. He can start putting up the stats that Baker can. We can all see it. I'm excited, you're excited, what's missing? He's not doing all the great things we see consistently enough nor has all the throws Baker has in his arsenal. Accuracy IS important. It's what turns the last game lions win by the skin of our teeth into a blowout when we don't move the chains for 3 full quarters.

Dawg never quote an OP that long in full again hahaha it was impossible to see what you wrote

Live and die by Tyus Battle. I don't think Frank makes a huge impact on this game. We should be better than that regardless.. To next year. I'm getting tired of this group.

FDA approved ketamine for depression recently as well. It's a crazy world we live in.

Dawg protesting police brutality literally has nothing to do with compensation for collusion. This wasn't a movement. It was an employee going to court for $$$.

How is the NFL ****ing up and having to settle a collusion case to keep evidence going public a "massive win for the NFL". They saved lawyer costs by settling you say? Wow. What a win. Employees seek lost compensation in a collusion case fellas. Usually in the form of an agreed amount of money from both sides. Like a settlement. Nah they just made a "massive win" from this whole episode. From beginning to end

.. and Mason has 16 points

Buddy looks rough on defense out there. Flailing at players, no chance at rebounds haha This dang Mason dude's drawn like 3 offensive fouls for Baylor The same guy keeps drawing charges