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The argument began with "he's started X amount of games" and finally settled with the arbitrary number of games a backup has to start for various teams to not the labeled a "career backup". I believe at the time Brett Hundley had started like 30% of games in his career. Deep philosophical question there: had he been a career backup by that point? Yes. Yes he had been. Fitz has done it better and longer lol. Best career backup ever. So just the spurious argument that his curse to virtually every starting Quarterback means him starting for Winston last year is no different than Brett Hundley filling in for Rodgers. Backups start games it's part of the job description to replace the starters. You start with crap Quarterbacks that started games and work your way up in this most senseless of arguments. It was an epic fantasy football season where Fitzmagic was traded for Gronk to prove a point.. because we are men of stupid principles and we practice what we preach The man has no labels. He's the penultimate journey man Quarterback. There's no comparison I can think of. I think he'll break the record with the Dolphins for almost every quarterback stat to throw any statistical category for 6+, 7+, 8+, potentially 9+ teams. What a helluva career. Glad the Bills were the Genesis of his journey

Given all the whining I see here about what beat writers aren't saying what TBD wants to hear I'm inclined to agree. I never pay attention to beat writers and these other radio dudes. Get with podcasts y'all. Locked on Bills is great. Cover 2 is great.

Getting Burfict is asking the defenses to have open season on JA and our WRs.. and we'd deserve it. no thanks

Nope. Rock it all the time. In Texas it garners respect from people that can appreciate good fans in an alien fanbase. And the ones that throw cheap shots are sad sacks. I am embarrassed to beg the bartender to put on the Bills game and otherwise force patrons to watch crap football. I spend more money bribing the bartender to keep the Bills on than anything else on a Sunday

I quoted a deadspin article that said "Ryan Fitzpatrick, a career backup, has the most fantasy points by a quarterback through 3 weeks ever, since the merger" last year. Which sparked massive ongoing debate as to how to define Fitzpatrick's career. Dude's a ****ing backup that's started a bunch of games just like Brett Hundley, Drew Stanton or any other backup that had a significant number of starts.

Dem Romans were best at war. I didn't want to get into any further discussion on why some ethnicities seem more athletic than others lol just a shout out to Dem Samoans. Of course Ngata was just born and raised in the Pacific west.. but Hawaiians are low key obsessed with football they have some high school football powerhouses out there

Fun fact. Polynesians make by far the most amount of money in the NFL on average compared to any other ethnicity. Mostly produce some very coordinated big boys in the trenches, many are multi sport athletes that thrive in the NFL because of it.

I'd think the same thing myself. But I've heard so many former players coming out and saying they'd never be disgruntled over a teammate in hold-out. And they found this situation so strange. Granted, 1) these players are from a different era 2) they're on a TV with likely an agenda they may not have felt in their playing days, and 3) the former players on TV ARE the successful players getting the most money in their locker room. But even with that grain of salt, I did find it strange how genuinely baffled the guys were. Many seemed to be speaking from sincerity rather than coming off as giving typical TV analyst shtick. Ryan Clark in particular who is from that locker room, has been VERY critical of Antonio Brown (I think he let's his personal beef show) and various other Steelers, was confused himself over how the events unfolded. He did mention Bell not being forthcoming would rub a locker room the wrong way: so long as he gives them a clear time table, doesn't make promises he later doesn't keep, Clark thought the locker room would have been more supportive. Regardless he said leaders like him, Hines Ward, and Troy Polamalu would have kept the younger players in check to keep the team united. Like Bell at one point insisted he'd show up for week 1, then later after the bye week, and he changed his mind at the last minute apparently both times. Did the same thing week 10 when that was the last deadline. That's the one thing that would be tough to swallow. You're told by and expecting your star RB to show up, and he doesn't keep his word. If he simply told you he won't play until week 10, you swallow the pill, maybe support him more instead of feeling like the guy's just yanking your chain getting your hopes up and crushing them every time he tells you he'll join your squad.

can't disagree with any of this. Just saying maybe I see the purpose of the trade after giving it some thought because it did and still does make very little sense for either side. Just playing devil's advocate if you will.. trying to make heads or tails of this, and this is all I could come up with haha. Not saying the GMs aren't being dumb.. that's a given. I just wanted to know what reasoning they could have possibly had for making this move.

He really has a lot of improvement to be desired. Which is understandable. Josh Allen for good reason has us very excited in what we have at that position. I think he honestly exceeded the best of expectations post injury for a rookie quarterback. Edmunds has showed what he's capable of but not so much or as often as JA did. He hasn't exceeded, nor quite met my expectations. All that said, I agree with what people above have mentioned.. He's young, he's been coached to be the lynchpin MLB on defense, was selected to ideally fit McDermott's dream scheme at the position with the ability to cover a ton of ground. He should stay at MLB for at the very least the next year and we should be touch and go from there regarding addressing if he should change positions or is truly fitting the ideal role McDermott envisioned him having. But if we feel a transcendent MLB that can do exactly what McDermott wants falls to the 9th, I'm not opposed at all to having an older, presumably more sure thing that can do everything we expect Edmunds to do. Drafting a player at his age runs a big risk. It just takes so long for him to reach the age typical rookie LBs are at. But this whole "HE'S ONLY 19" argument said ad-nauseum doesn't mean he's guaranteed to improve dramatically into the All-Pro role we're desiring out of him. Mostly just implies high-risk, high-reward. One benefit at his age is he's very much a moldable piece of clay that can be moved to OLB and thrive there should we decide to strike on a BPA that may be MLB at the 9th that perhaps is a better prospect for what McDermott wants. It's fortunate at this point in his career, Edmunds can play a lot of LB roles and is flexible where he is on the field if we want to see him develop elsewhere. We're not hamstrung by where he can play in the LB corps, which is a good thing.. as there's always going to be phenomenal talent popping up at LB in the draft. And Edmunds' ability to move back to OLB is a good thing, not bad. Just means the risk he carries at not playing the role to McDermott's perfection doesn't limit us from getting that guy and moving Edmunds elsewhere. But again.. I'd prefer him to stay for next year provided we're not passing up on a Kuechly because we're insistent Edmunds plays MLB. All-Pro OLBs are awesome!

I'm sure teams offered him contracts like that.. but the RB is last position to accept such an incentive contract. This is likely his last big deal, he's proven he's great, can take the heaviest 400 carry workload in the league with minimal injury history. Todd Gurley would be more appropriate for that kind of incentives if he was a FA today knowing what we know now Gronk took an incentive like that to basically insure against him being as injury prone, as he's likely to get the 10+ TD requirement for sure provided he plays the full season. Teams really don't have the bargaining position for that. Especially if the offense already suck balls and are essentially asking a player to flip their offensive production to be playoff caliber due to a single player.. his incentive in that case oughta be astronomical if they're asking him to exceed any RBs reasonable value. Only incentive I can see as fair to put on the table is regarding Bell's drug suspension history.. which Jets probably did.. I don't really know. But he wouldn't go to the Bills is his incentive was based on turning them a 180 offensively if the base contract isn't in the ball park he's been asking for guaranteed and the incentives aren't astronomically high haha. Like if David Johnson/Shady proved an All-Pro player can regress behind a crap OL, it feels pretty unreasonable to say "we'll only pay you XYZ if you're the rushing leader next year.. cause we have zero expectations you meet it with the stacked boxes and poor OL you'll be working with" Just out of curiosity, what incentives would you think are fair? 900 yards rushing? I'd gamble on that. Sounds like you're talking about graded production for salary. That's fair so long as you're giving the appropriate guaranteed money RBs need more than other positions Some sort of incentive that asks you to get 200 more yards than what your last primary RB made is fair. Just some sort of precondition you're getting a significantly better rusher.. all things otherwise equal. I want to be an NFL agent now. I'd love bargaining with GMs haha. New dream job

Sure. But going from defending his negotiation to saying it was his money to lose is clearly a concession statement. I'm generally getting the vibe from pro Bell people of "well that sucked". Again.. the article makes this very clear lol Not to make any excuses or start an argument.. because ultimately he should have signed the tag week 10: but the state of that lockerroom and the teammates, especially the OL making the comments about him is a pretty scary situation for an RB to hear what his big protection fellas think about his holdout. In the OL's defense, Bell was never forthcoming about what his plans were. But regardless former players were pretty shocked at the statements they made. It's pretty unprecedented for players not to support their teammates in a holdout I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during that decision. There's no way his agent wasn't begging him to sign by week 10 and he definitely made a hasty last minute decision not to take that much guaranteed money for a few games presumably as a backup

Nope, he most likely won't be. I'm interested to see how he's utilized in the passing game. He's a QB's perfect safety blanket. Heck he could split out wide and probably be the Jets best wideout too. Guy's a swiss army knife and probably the best skill position player all around that can line up virtually anywhere. I'd say him and Christian McCaffrey are unique tools in the NFL in that they play the RB position but can be utilized anywhere on the field. They're the RB version of what Gronk used to bring to the table for the Pats at TE. There's probably a few more RBs that operate this way but Bell and McCaffrey are the best ones that come to mind. They make the position much more flexible for an offenses than you typically see. I don't think as highly of Darnold as others around here seem to do. So many picks, the guy looks Winston-esque. So I'm really not especially worried. He did play well in the Bills loss to the Jets after a rough start though. I'd rather have Baker then Josh Allen as of now.. and I'd like to have a stronger verdict on Lamar Jackson, but he could be the dark horse to pass Darnold as top 3 QBs in that draft based on his ceiling as he develops.

Being patient is another way to say he has good ball carrier vision. He's willing to wait for a better to hole if it opens up. He's sort of the opposite Trent Richardson who had the dumbest RB IQ I've ever seen and couldn't run straight through a gaping hole. The OL is doing a bang up job, while Bell brings his own talent to the table by utilizing that. Can't fault an RB for using vision and a strong OL to take a few extra seconds to find the best hole. We'll see how much better he can do with a crap OL, I've posited that good RB vision makes him less dependent on strong OL play, but we ultimately don't know. His patience people bring up refers to his willingness to counter overaggressive defenders - he let's them make the first move and lose their gap discipline. But he also hits the hole when it's available just like any other one cut runner. His best strength as a RB is his balance and IQ. I don't think he'll have the opportunities to take the liberties he had with the Steelers OL to wait as long behind the LOS. But he ultimately could be less OL dependent than other RBs. That's my guess.

Cool. The article mentions as much. He ultimately lost money he can never get, the article just shows the silver lining. At the end of the day who the hell cares. You can rejoice that he blew it and lost millions (weird), you can feel sorry for him (no one's forcing you to pity a millionaire). Ultimately the Jets got a bargain deal which ain't good for us. I don't like the character assassination is all. If the worst thing he's done is hold out for guaranteed money, which every athlete does and is entitled to do, what's the character problem he's shown as a teammate?

You really shouldn't look like you're tanking.. idk the rules on it, but even Colts' "suck for Luck with Curtis Painter" campaign carried the excuse they had Curtis Painter backing up their injured HOFer QB, not like they spent any small effort to find someone more competitive than Curtis Painter. I love your idea though. It also in a way removes that purposeful tank image. You can just say you experimented with some wacky concepts to see if it would make up for your bad team (it wouldn't but you might learn some tricks in that mad scientist experiment you can use when you get better).

Ironically the diva label really only applies to generationally talented players 99% of the time. Yet it's a scarlet letter for fans that think the talent is useless anywhere but the Patriots lol. GMs disagree. They actually think about the circumstances that made the player deemed a "diva" (I doubt GMs even use this term) juxtaposed with the varying degrees of talent these guys bring to the table. OBJ's been on a god awful team. He could have acted out much worst. One thing to consider, he's used to sucking.. and having his quarterback sucking. OBJ's going to be thrilled to see what being on a non-Giants team feels like. He's had a low bar for expectations in his NFL career to date.

I did a little digging and from all appearances the Titans plan to keep Mariota as the #1 in their final true year of evaluation. Tannehill provides injury insurance as I recall the Titans were very much in the playoff race midseason before Mariota lost a few games to injury. I suppose I can allow it for making sense as they have a decent team on both sides of the ball really, and feel they can make playoffs if they have a healthy Mariota or clone Mariota. AFCS just all got much better than midseason last year, so I'm not sure having a healthy mediocre quarterback insurance will be enough.. it certainly could have been enough last year. Texans and Colts are too good and getting better though, and Jax is putting all their chips down on Foles, should be significantly better. Makes more sense for the Dolphins now that I've pondered it. But I can see the merits of the trade for both sides.. equally not that great but I see their agendas. Dolphins are simply on board Tanking Tua Championship... I'm trying to make that phrase popular. Peterman is the perfect quarterback for the job. Git r' done Dolphins GM. They'd have arguably made the playoffs had Mariota stayed healthy. I understand it from that angle. But they need to look in the mirror and see how much better Jax, Indy, and Texans have gottens since they were staring down the barrel of a wildcard spot midseason. Titans remind me of the AFC version of Redskins. Good overall team. Questionable offseason moves at quarterback. In divisions where they are not going to improve nearly as much as the other teams can.

I like to think Manziel violated the CFL rules intentionally to get out of his contract. He could have simply stopped going to therapy - rather than something much more harmful - and conveniently ended his contract right when these American leagues started popping up. If Tebow and Kaepernick were the AAF's big ticket items, Johnny Football is certainly #3.

Frank Howard's getting blasted in the national media for tripping Zion last night.. So crossover episode

Zion's banging 3s right now haha speak of the devil

LeBron's always going to be an unfair comparison. How many players get hype like LeBron got being a prep to pro and bust. LeBron himself was excessively hyped and immediately exceeded even those unrealistic expectations. Zion will be great, very high floor, LeBron-like ceiling. But no... I'd bet the house he doesn't have a comparable career to LeBron. Him dominating college kids only helps with a grain of salt, not hurts. People saying "he won't be able to get away with this in the pros".. no **** haha we can say that about LeBron if he played college.. what else is he supposed to do other than put up perfect stat lines. I can't say enough the dude has a damned shot lol. One of the best of his draft class.. college players suck at shooting! Hell look at the NBA, Zion's got a better shot than some of the superstars. He a) doesn't need it to be a superstar and b) absolutely does have it. Dude's got a head start in the shot department loads of players don't have coming into the NBA.

I assumed this means Tannehill is #1 but everywhere I read, i see Mariota is the planned #1 for now still.. he does get injured a lot. Tannehill #2.

Well Tennessee's about to waste some more time with Tannehill. This move makes no sense. Even if marginally better they still just got a clone of their quarterback lol. It honestly makes no sense for either team haha. Dolphins must be genuinely.. unabashedly.. tanking the year.

they're basically clones. identical completion %, passer rating, rushing threats for 300 yards a season. Tannehill just throws 600 passes a season to Mariota's 450. Like Tannehill is the one QB in the league I would have labelled as most similar to mariota. So now they just have 2 of the same dude, presumably to start Tannehill. I honestly can't think of a more lateral move they could have made at QB haha. sure.. we'd obviously ask for a premium and would be the last team Dolphins call up anyway so we'd get a good deal. And I don't care much for anyone this year other than Murray. I wouldn't trade them the 9th for Murray. But Murray ain't falling to 9. Actually no, nevermind. I wouldn't even trade.. there's a good chance if they stand pat all 3 of the qbs with 1st round draft grades are taken. They could go into next year with virtually no quarterback. That'll be fun. Maybe they're going for Tua. Peterman should be available via trade if they want to learn the art of the tank.